Hi Poirot,

Pot and kettle :) Actually, I'm still a bit proud of that post. I hope Cathy McGowan didn't try the same trick this time.

But you're right, we're both moving away from the topic. [Good try too, Poirot].

So what's you're definition of either a 'troll', or a 'Trotskyite' ? Can you understand how, in their different ways, impede robust discussion ?

[P. flounces off, Left].

Poirot,

"Re your silly comment about cars (this thread or another)...which aren't manufactured for the sole purpose of killing or maiming - unlike guns"

The same applies to trucks, but unfortunately for the dead and injured in Nice they can and will be used as weapons.

You said that guns are manufactured for the sole purpose of killing and when that statement is shewn to be wrong you try the old trick of shifting the goal posts.

Is Mise and Joe,

I fail to see how Ian Turnbull would be guilty of murder under your definition of self defense, He was a farmer, a special case in itself, according to you. The bloke was protecting his property from unwanted government intrusion, which you tout as justification for using a firearm, just protecting what was his, you definitely agree with that. Maybe the bloke is an embarrassment to your argument, so you offer him up for sacrifice, when you don't really mean it.

Joe, the old bloke with the walking stick was a "what if" scenario, nothing to do with Ian Turnbull. I want you to define self defense. accidental homicide and cold blooded murder. I don't think you blokes can tell the difference.

Joe, did you not claim you once helped out some greenie org by planting a 1000 trees, until one fell on you, and it made you see the light. Which I can only assume was the lovely Pauline coming to you in a dream during your period of unconsciousness, and she has shown you the way of the self-righteous. Is that true? Throwing all that trolls and trots stuff around like you do.

Is Mise,

"The same applies to trucks, but unfortunately for the dead and injured in Nice they can and will be used as weapons"

Unfortunately that's true in this instance....however, trucks aren't normally used as weapons.

Paul,

As a humourist you are a failure.

Poirot,

It's not since the mid 1950s that I have done any anti-terrorist training but many of the improvised weapons and techniques of terrorists have not changed.
People just don't realize what can happen and one of the greatest weapons of terrorists is explosives and some very powerful explosives are freely available in this country, no restrictions whatsoever.

Have you worked out yet that some guns are not designed to kill?

Is Mise,

"Have you worked out yet that some guns are not designed to kill?"

Have you worked out that most are?

Here's a good one:

"During the Republican Convention, Toy Guns Are Banned, Real Guns Are Fine Though"

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/13/during_cleveland_republican_convention_toy_guns_are_banned_real_guns_are.html

"When the Republican National Convention kicks off in Cleveland next week, guns will not be allowed in the host Quicken Loans Arena, but protesters outside will be allowed to openly carry firearms, city officials confirmed Wednesday. Ohio is an open carry state and no permit is required to do so for a lawful gunowner. To carry a concealed weapon, protesters would need a permit."

20-odd murders a day by firearm in the US....one assumes those guns are designed to kill.