Suze,

Between you and Poirot, it seems as though you are trying to find any reason for the Orlando massacre other than islamic radicalism.

He was devoutly muslim, his parents were from Afghanistan and aligned to the Taliban who are known for their extremism, and he was linked to jihadis. Secondly in Orlando, in the mosques he was taught that homosexuality was a sin, and according to one Orlando Imam, they should all die, and ISIS whom he was following, regularly murder gays in horrific ways.

So to claim that this was a gay hate crime facilitated by guns is a half truth of the worst kind. This was an act of Islamic extremism against western values of tolerance.

Finally, to use the tired old "hundreds of years ago we were barbarians, so they should be allowed to be barbarians" line is pathetic. If you act like a barbarian, then you get treated as a barbarian. This weekend Sydney had a visiting Imam from the UK who is on record claiming that all homosexuals should be executed "compassionately" WTF is he doing here? Apparently only white males can be guilty of hate crimes.

The irony in all this is radical Islam, ISIS, would prefer Trump as President rather than Clinton, the Republicans in control of Congress and the NRA calling the shots. They all feed of the same carcass. Trump and Congress would enact tough anti Muslim laws under the direction of the NRA. Which in turn will boost radical Islam giving it a focus for sympathy to attract people who otherwise would be somewhat nonplus and moderate.

Here's some more irony...
You know the left are completely retarded when they advocate for both homosexuality and Islam.
They think they're all in the same left-issue camp, and we're all going to live happily ever after but the truth is the Muslims want all the homosexuals dead.

There is no happily ever after in this scenario.
The left's policies will destroy us.

I've thought long and hard about the compatibility between Islam and western cultures and as much as I truly believe in freedom and liberty for all I've come to the conclusion that Islam (and especially the Wahhabi version the Saudis are promoting) is not compatible with our way of life.

I believe Donald Trump is doing a good thing making a stand.
Freedom of religion and Islamic extremism is a issue that leaves democracy's hands tied.

To the do-gooders -
When Australian women are accosted and assaulted on Australian streets for being in breach of Sharia law, I won't blame the Muslims as much as I will blame YOU.
And when they are raped it will be YOUR fault.
It will also be YOUR fault for destroying the very fabric of our nation.

So I take my hat off to Donald Trump and his stand against Muslims and Islamic Extremism, I don't want to see one one innocent person persecuted for their right to freedom of religion but this is ultimately the lesser evil if we really weigh things up.
They laugh at our laws and courts, and have no respect for our country.

The so called peaceful Islamic religion will be dead soon anyway if good Muslims don't stand up against terrorism, and only they can make a real stand against the people who are terrorists.

This creep, Muslim, wife-beater, homosexual-hater, eptomised all of the nastiness of Islam. Yet, the usual suspects - the ones who support same-sex 'marriage' and any old perversions, but will not hear a word said against Islam, are at it again, looking for examples of non-Muslims who have the same attitudes towards queers. Well, good-luck finding a non-Muslim who has murdered 50 homosexuals for his beliefs. Good luck with your search for a non-Muslim who has murdered one homosexual.

These are the people who call others of their own kind homophobes for their genuine, legitimate, objections to homosexuality, while making excuses for Muslims who have made it clear that death is the cure for their homosexual friends. Again, good luck to these stupid people when the Muslims come looking for them because they are deemed to have done something to offend Islam.

Paul,

I think the evidence is that radical Islam grows best in soil that pampers it. The terrorist attacks in France and Belgium were launched from a suburb in Belgium where a huge tolerance and latitude was given to the muslim community.

Supposedly the peaceful muslim citizens are supposed to curb their more radical kin, but this is clearly not happening. When I hear sermons in mosques promoting tolerance towards the gay community, then I might believe that they are becoming sufficiently civilized to merge with the rest of the community.

It's pretty clear from most balanced world commentary that Donald Trump is regarded as a dangerous wingnut.

His agenda appears to create fear and loathing, while congratulating himself.

Here's how he exploited the Orlando outrage:

"“Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism.”

He then said Obama should "“immediately resign in disgrace” for failing to “mention the words radical Islam” in his remarks on the shooting"

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/donald-trumps-exploitation-of-orlando

This he tweeted with no evidence:

"Reporting that Orlando killer shouted "Allah hu Akbar!" as he slaughtered clubgoers. 2nd man arrested in LA with rifles near Gay parade"

And:

"What has happened in Orlando is just the beginning. Our leadership is weak and ineffective. I called it and asked for the ban. Must be tough"

As a comparison, let's look at just a few of Shadow Minister's efforts:

Trying to paper over it as just another attack forgets that it was an Islamic inspired terrorist attack on western values"

"Between you and Poirot, it seems as though you are trying to find any reason for the Orlando massacre other than islamic radicalism"

"So to claim that this was a gay hate crime facilitated by guns is a half truth of the worst kind. This was an act of Islamic extremism against western values of tolerance."

"Supposedly the peaceful muslim citizens are supposed to curb their more radical kin, but this is clearly not happening. When I hear sermons in mosques promoting tolerance towards the gay community, then I might believe that they are becoming sufficiently civilized to merge with the rest of the community."

Never mind that since this shooting, probably another 30-odd people have likely been slaughtered by firearms in America - over 200 a week are murdered by firearms on average.

You should run for President of the US, SM...they seem to gravitate to that sort of fear-mongering.