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Should illegal immigrants have an easier path to citizenship?

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Dear Aidan,

If I don't answer your questions it is probably because I don't understand why you are asking the question.

PS. Kudos on being able to use words with three or more syllables. A quality rarely found among engineers.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 7 April 2016 6:08:29 PM
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Mr O: PS. Kudos on being able to use words with three or more syllables. A quality rarely found among engineers.

Delusions of Superiority, again.
Posted by Jayb, Thursday, 7 April 2016 9:35:47 PM
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Dear Aidan,

<<Australian Citizenship is gold tier. Permanent Resident status is silver tier. Bronze tier is externally administered. 'Tis known as New Zealand Citizenship!>>

This is a good start, but much more is needed.

Different tiers should define our level of involvement with the state and its various functions.

Those in the outermost tier should neither be bound by laws nor protected by the state. They should simply be tolerated by the state so long as they do not harm or threaten its inner-citizens (including their property and environment). This corresponds more-or-less to the current legal status of animals.

The next tier could include basic state/police-protection in exchange for basic taxes and observance of laws relating to public-behaviour.

The next tier could include access to state-institutions, such as courts, ombudsman, land-ownership registration and voting for local councils in exchange for more taxes.

The next tier could include access to basic welfare, incorporation and voting for the senate in exchange for accepting the state standards for education and work.

The innermost tier would include health-care, aged-care, public-housing and similar services as well as voting for the lower-house, in exchange for the Medicare levy and observing such laws that are meant to keep people healthy, safe and useful.

People should be able to move out to outer tiers (provided they repaid their debts to the state for services they received within the inner tier). Moving in to inner tiers should be by mutual agreement or by birth to parents in the appropriate tiers.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 8 April 2016 3:41:08 AM
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Dear Jayb,

It's one of the things I've noted in my 40 years as a participant-observer amongst the vulgar and ignorant engineers.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 8 April 2016 7:09:25 AM
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Mr O: It's one of the things I've noted in my 40 years as a participant-observer amongst the vulgar and ignorant engineers.

What a queer thing to say. You obviously spend a lot of time up yourself. A Class-asist. (Another new word?)
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 8 April 2016 8:01:46 AM
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Belay your astonishment Aidan, I'm just concerned with avoiding another 100 years of guilt tripping and public shaming of my ethnic group should a few Chinese drug dealers, claim jumpers, loan sharks and slumlords get their skulls cracked as they did in the 19th century.
The truth is that all the profits from immigration go to the rich and all the negative consequences fall on the poor and that there's no such thing as progress for the working class under capitalism.
Marx predicted that capitalism would alleviate the suffering of the workers but that it would also increase the misery of the working classes, as the Australian dream, which was a product of early Socialist thought slips further and further away are we not miserable in 2016?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 8 April 2016 8:10:36 AM
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