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Can Malcolm Turnbull Defeat The Opposition Leader?

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Milk Em' Malcolm's hair brained scheme of having the states stick the knife into the battlers and workers of Australia with double income tax went down like a lead balloon with the Primer's, except for that fruit loop from WA Colin Barnett, voters in WA want to remember that at the next state election. Unlike Malcolm the Primers don't want to be the ones to be cutting the heart out of people, and then asking that they vote for them!

What great big tax idea will Turnball come up with next, a tax on sex? Gays can pay double, Barney and his national nutters will insists on that.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 2 April 2016 7:21:12 AM
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rehctub,

"Mr waffle needs some spelling lessons, he needs to understand his spelling of innovation should be DESPERATION as he is floundering around making life so much easier for his two closest enemies,, Bill Shorten and Tony Abbott."

I'll give you a gold star for that one.

Hasbeen,

Yes it is!

Yes we do...but for completely different reasons.

You think he's not right-wing enough.

I think he's actually quite spineless and ineffectual, who's only there for decoration, who's a bit more eloquent (and waffly) at delivering the IPAs agenda.

Incompetent too - can anyone name me another Prime Minister who failed to inform his Treasurer that the Budget date had been changed? On the day that Turnbull announced the Budget would be delivered on the 3rd May, Morrison a little earlier that day had been spruiking that Budget day was May 10.

What sort of dingbat, sensing the rest of us are onto his exclusion of Morrison, has his media team call a media event just so he can stride out and get into a car with his Treasurer?

It's almost vaudeville.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 2 April 2016 8:37:43 AM
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If we get to the nitty gritty of my disagreement with Foxy and Suse on Malcolm's performance, it all comes down to their perception of Malcolm as a moderate - and my perception of him as PM delivering extreme right-wing policy.

I do understand that Foxy believes that Mal is biding his time...and that upon winning the upcoming election that somehow he'll be able to stamp his command and move his party back to the centre.

Never mind that he has so far (if he really is a moderate) sold his soul for the top job, is merrily attempting to deliver the antithesis of what he always touted he stood for.

How is he going to bring the federal party into the centre?

This article explores that - and the similarities between Turnbull's position in his party and Rudd in his.

"To successfully govern for the long-term, you have to govern from the centre, not the fringes," a truism demonstrated by Tony Abbott, who sought to govern a nation from the right wing of the centre-right party. And failed.
"In Rudd's case it was the cause of his demise because his own party wouldn't let him move to the centre; he saw the unions as a brake on his ability to move to the centre politically.

"In just the same way, Turnbull's party won't allow him to move to the centre on social issues," most prominently on same sex marriage.
"Kevin had an undisguised ambition to reduce union control over the party, and elements of the unions and the Labor party were hostile to him as a result.

"Malcolm has the same sort of issue on the other side. All these figures entrenched in the political wing of the Liberals are constantly using conservative elements like 2GB and [Sydney radio and TV broadcaster] Paul Murray to drive a conservative argument against him on same sex marriage, on climate change."

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/six-reasons-malcolm-turnbull-is-looking-a-lot-like-kevin-rudd-20160401-gnwcyn.html#ixzz44cdhacLV

More in article...

Turnbull, being stymied, is attempting to deliver a few stellar thought bubbles to stamp his greatness...unfortunately they POP! as soon as they are released.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 2 April 2016 10:03:00 AM
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Here's an interesting article written about a year
ago (but especially relevant today) as to how
out of touch the conservatives in the Liberal
Party are with average Australian voters. Malcolm
Turnbull won the leadership of the Party by approx.
ten votes and many within the Party view him as a
liability.

I agree with Sally Young, Age columnist and associate
professor of political science at the University of
Melbourne when she writes:

"... far from being a liability because he seems "too
Left" to conservatives Malcolm Turnbull represents an
opportunity because it is the conservatives who are
both a demonstrated liability and out of step with
their own Party history and philosophy... the Party
needs to see Malcolm Turnbull not just as a salesman
for a faulty product, but to give him a proper chance in
policy terms because he represents what a real Liberal
Party could be. And, electorally, it could be a force to
be reckononed with.

There's more in this link:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/how-malcolm-turnbull-could-reclaim-liberal-party-values-20150
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 2 April 2016 2:03:30 PM
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Hi Poirot, to be fair to Turnball, I'm only dirty on his stupid tax ideas at the moment, hasn't done a lot thus far for my way of thinking, social justice issues, I want to see changes there in particular.
Turnball paid plenty for the top job, bought off Morrison and others, including Bishop, was successful with ousting Hockey, got his man into North Sydney at the same time. Has managed to get a number of the rights ratbags to stand down next election. Spectacularly unsuccessful at getting Abbott to P off to London. He can't do a lot about the Nationals and their wombat of a leader Barney Rubble, he is saddled with them.

"How is he going to bring the federal party into the centre?"

The only way is for Turnball to score a resounding victory at the next election. A narrow win would be seen by Abbott and others as a green light for Abbott to make a comeback to the top job. Abbott is only hanging around because he thinks he still has a good chance to return. If he didn't he would have snapped up the HC job in London.
A Labor win would spell disaster for Abbott, too many within the Party would be after the leadership with Morrison the most likely choice.

Abbott to me looks the most likely to have a favorable outcome at the next election. Shorten must win, or come very close to retain leadership, and Turbull has to have a resounding victory to make the top job his. At the moment both Turnbull and Shorten are working for Abbott.

p/s I reckon Turnbull will be having a few bob on with 'Sportsbet' backing Tony Windsor in New England "go you little beauty" said Malcolm.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 2 April 2016 2:04:19 PM
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Thanks, Foxy...will look at it soon.

I don't believe anyone could blame me for being flabbergasted with Turnbull's performance thus far. He appears to be blindly lurching around in the dark for a tax policy.

What can we make of his latest lark?

He makes an off-the-cuff announcement in a sports park about handing income taxing powers back to the states. That's no small thing. It was ridiculous. He tried to ambush the Premiers at COAG...then...

Then it was scrapped.

I could have told him it would be rejected.

You could have told him it would be rejected.

He behaves like a ten year-old who's mistakenly been given the keys to the PMO.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-02/ministers-defend-pm-as-shorten-attacks-'humiliating'-tax-plan/7294586

"Senior ministers have thrown their support behind Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, after his contentious plan for income tax was rejected at yesterday's Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting in Canberra.

Key points:

Bill Shorten labels Turnbull 'arrogant' for thinking proposal would gain support
Annastacia Palaszczuk says states 'never got any documentation about the proposal'
Sussan Ley, Julie Bishop defend proposal, lay blame on states for rejecting plan
The support comes after Opposition Leader Bill Shorten described Mr Turnbull as "arrogant" for thinking his proposal would ever gain support.

Mr Turnbull announced a plan to reduce the Commonwealth's rate of income tax to allow the states and territories to levy their own tax to fund health and education on Wednesday.

But he was unable to convince state and territory leaders it was the best way to fix their budgets, and the plan was scrapped.

Mr Shorten has labelled it a "humiliating farce"."

Humiliating farce is right!
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 2 April 2016 5:04:23 PM
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