Paul,

While left whingers like yourself would like to pretend that policies of Krudd and Juliar were fine, and that they lost simply because they could stop stabbing each other, the reality is that their policies sucked big time.

Starting with boats disaster, the school halls debacle, the mining tax stuff up, pink batts etc for krudd, and the East Timor solution, the carbon tax lie, the free pass for union corruption, the support for corrupt labor MPs, by Juliar, plus the wild spending and general fiscal incompetence.

Shadow, as you know I am not a supporter of the Labor Party, at the time of the last election on the forum I advocated a vote for your man Abbott. I believed, like caster oil, it would be "good" for the electorate to experience at least three years of Abbottism, possibly six. However the fool crashed and burned in two years, you just can't plan for idiocracy!

As for Rudd and Gilard, I preferred Rudd. sadly now Turnball is looking very much a let down. I think in future we the people will have to demand our political leaders have an IQ of at least half the national average, so we'll set the bench mark at IQ 50. Anyone with an IQ of less than 50 can not be considered for anything other than leader of the National Party, that makes it safe for Barney.

Paul,

You advocated for Abbott? What bollocks.

If you are advocating an IQ of 50 as the bottom limit for IQ, virtually no green would sit in parliament. You have morons like SHY and Lee Rhiannon whose only other employment opportunities would be serving burgers at McDonalds