"Those opposed to practical support for male victims of DV ..."

I enjoy those false arguments: says who, Robert ? Who 'opposes practical support for male victims' ?

I'm struck by the self-pity of those manufactured issues, the special pleading on spurious grounds. 'demands' like those remind me of that film clip of Hitler beating his breast in self-pity about Germany losing territory and being picked on by France and England etc., wah ! wah ! and then, I'm told, he goes back behind the scenes with Goering etc. and says with a smirk, more or less, 'How'd I do ?'

How often have we seen this manufactured whinge lately ? That Muslims are all always being harassed and picked on and spat on, etc. etc. Where ? When ? I've never seen anything remotely like that, and I've travelled on buses for years now, and never even seen a woman in a hijab look remotely worried when they get on the bus - blokes, being more paranoid, I can't vouch for.

Or an article today in The Australian about Aboriginal people being stopped from speaking their languages. Complete unsubstantiated rubbish - in my experience and readings, I've only ever come across missionaries learning up on the languages so that they could open and run a school operating in the local language. But within a very short time, Aboriginal people were mixing around and working with each other and with whites, learning English in their day-to-day lives, and I suspect that within a couple of generations were using English as their first language all the time, ergo, languages fading into disuse. But poor bugger me still sells, I suppose.

Credit were credit is due - and 'blame' if you want to call it that, were 'blame' is due. If blokes knock women around, they should cop whatever the law throws at them. Simple as that. And no whingeing, or mealy-mouthed excuses.

Joe

Hi JF Aus,

Having lost my wife to cancer seven years ago, yes, I can understand what it is like to miss someone. Every day, every f.ing day, every hour, and it's partly thanks to OLO that I stay relatively sane -yes, Poirot, I did say 'relatively' :). I don't know what that amounts to in dogs, but you can probably do the maths.

I'm sure that injustices occur in the family court system, like everywhere else, but that is getting slightly away from the topic, and could be perceived as a sort of justification for the obvious disparity (in, say, police and hospital records) in reports and admissions, and in the proportion of AVOs.

I suppose all I can suggest to blokes is 'Be a man, don't hurt your woman or kids, when it's so easy'. Or 'Only gutless tyrds belt their women'. At least that would fit on a T-shirt :)

Joe

Loudmouth observed: "Strange how this topic morphs into others. Surely nobody is trying to justify DV ?"

It morphs into others because the basher lobby (a song sheet now down to a tiny handful of bellowers) is desperately trying to draw attention away from actual domestic violence by relabelling egregious but non-violent behaviour as “domestic violence”. Just scan the posts!

Everything but the kitchen sink can be pontificated over interminably as CAUSING violence – even people being born the wrong gender – but only actual physical assault, indictable by criminal law, is COMMITTING violence. In a word, bashing.

What can be done to help the victims of bashing?

First and foremost, getting the bashers out of their lives.

AVOs help, but they guarantee nothing when breach of them brings only a revolving-door at the hands of the courts. What else can be done to free victims of basher tyranny?

Think really hard. Scour the room for the large elephant in it. Society can cut the cackle by way of the legal system. It’s not rocket science. Most Australians would applaud it. It’s just a matter of getting on with it through legislation so the legal system will stop throwing the victims under the bus.

@Suseonline, "Why are you bringing the family courts and divorce into this thread?"

Because family court law regarding divorce could be updated to include sever penalty for a either partner using children to cause even psychological pain and/or suffering.
If such law was tough it would be a deterrent to argument that leads to DV and divorce and ongoing consequences.
If schools and intending family education developed understanding of what can occur in a partnership/family, then peace and happiness could perhaps be maintained.

I am aware of alcoholism in DV. But not every DV case involves alcohol or drugs. An unfaithful partner can cause a penis to be cut off, the men do not do that crime. And one partner can murder the other, male or female.

No, I am not blaming the Court. But Court's should help bring law up to date concerning gender equality. Individual magistrates that pander to the female in court, can be blamed to a considerable degree.

Just saw this tweet...by a legal person on twitter.

"Kon Karapanagiotidis
@Kon__K

3 more women dead in 3 days

75 women in 2015 in Oz

96% by men

It's #notallmen but all men need to speak out, it's our responsibility

3:15 PM - 25 Oct 2015"

http://twitter.com/Kon__K/status/658180120553787392

That was tweeted yesterday...this morning one more child - an 11 year-old girl - man held in custody.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-26/death-of-11-year-old-girl-at-wangaratta-suspicious-/6883910

Speaks for itself....we've got a problem.

'It's #notallmen but all men need to speak out, it's our responsibility'

It depends. By virtue of my gender, I feel no responsibility for policing half the populace. Just as I don't believe 'Moderate Muslims' have any responsibility for denouncing 'radical muslims'. To suggest such a thing would be to suggest some kind of hive mind or brotherhood or original sin due to my gender. I suspect most feminists would disagree with me there though.

Just as an non anglo saxon may feel offended being challenged to kiss an Australian flag, I am offended being challenged to pledge I will not hit women by the White Ribbon lot.

I would suppose though if a friend was beating his wife, I would feel responsibility to get involved to some degree. Or if I witnessed an abusive couple, perhaps to call the police, which I have done previously.

Anyway, nothing seems to have changed around here. See you again when I next drop in.