rehctub:

"Planto, 1 in 3 you say. Well perhaps you had best move and see how the rest of the world lives because where I'm from the numbers are nothing like that,"

Well I have no idea what the true figures are. I am just saying that if they are as bad as is being claimed then those doing the claiming should be leaving their domestic relationships and young women should not aspire to be in domestic relationships. It is a put up or shut up situation.

Phanto,

Yeah ! Why can't women look ahead ? Why do they go open-eyed into future-abusive relationships ? Do they WANT to be knocked around ? What's the matter with them ? So surely it's really just their own fault.

And why can't they just leave an abusive relationship ? Why stay ? Just pack up and go ? Is it just to nag and tease and harass and provoke their unfortunate partners ?

Yeah, we shouldn't really bother too much about DV, women after all just bring it all on themselves, out of spite and sheer stupidity. It's really a wonder there aren't more than two murders a week, so many poor blokes getting provoked to defend themselves like that.

Yeah, where are the refuges for blokes ? It's always 'women, women, women'. Anybody thought of that ?!

Joe

Loudmouth:

If someone told you that in a certain dark alley one in three people who walked down it was assaulted you would stop and think before you decided to take that walk. Only a fool would take such a risk with their personal safety. No one can make you go down that street and only you can decide to go. As an adult you have to take responsibility for all your decisions so it is your fault if you take a risk. That is what risk is about – it is entirely up to you and you know beforehand that no one else can be held responsible.

If women enter relationships or remain in them then they are living in a situation of constant risk. The only logical thing to do is to eliminate the risk. They do know beforehand what the odds are and it is they who choose to ignore them.

Every relationship has risks attached to it but someone who takes a risk where the odds are three to one and their own personal safety is the issue has very little self-respect.

It does not help to talk only about what happens when they lose the gamble but to also talk about why they gamble in the first place when there is no need for them to do so.

What is it that drives them to gamble so recklessly with their own well-being? If they choose to gamble then it is their fault. If you blow all your money at the racetrack then you cannot complain that losing money should not be part of the experience.

Hilarious. Loudmouth parodies Phanto and Phanto responds showing the parody was right on the money!

Hi Phanto,

Yeah, it's so bloody unfair that women can predict the future, even years ahead, but us poor blokes tend to live in the present, doing as much good as we can, innocent and blameless. Women KNOW what's ahead, yet they perversely persist in provoking their poor partners - and deliberately do things like getting pregnant (they KNOW how to avoid that, surely ?) and give up their jobs to raise kids (Yeah, just to feel superior to blokes who are slaving away to support them). Women are such parasites - our mothers often earned us about them, harridans, harlots, users, but we were too trusting to listen, weren't we ?

Maybe what many men need are women-free 'marriages', not real marriages of course, Christ they're not poofters, but where blokes can come together, give each other mutual support and spend as much time together as possible. Maybe such blokes can sign a Declaration that under no circumstances are women to have anything to do with them, not to come near them or harass them, and certainly not trap them in some loveless, spiteful relationship and eventually provoke the poor fellas to murder them.

Joe

Loudmouth:

Joe, blokes like you are the salt of the earth – fair dinkum real men always on the lookout for anything that may upset the little lady. Doing what their dads told them to and protect the women folk at all costs.

Real men step in when they see anyone suggesting that the behaviour of women should be challenged. Let us not challenge them to examine the hypocrisies that they live by. The poor dears are not up to much self-examination – it may only lead to freedom and a more fulfilling life. They cook, clean, mother and fulfil a man’s desires – that should be enough for them.

Let us not suggest that they can break away from the pressures put upon them to be in domestic relationships. We will cover their ears when anyone suggests that the “Bachelor” is contrived crap designed to keep women in their place. We would not want them to look critically at ‘chick flicks’, Mills and Boon, and all those other cultural brandings that make sure they know their place. Let us take out anyone who suggests that they do not have to give into pressures from their mothers, sisters, aunts and ‘friends’ who are forever asking are they in a domestic relationship.

Woe betide any man should he ask them to look at how much they are influenced by all this. Nor should they be asked to examine how outraged they are by the prevalence of domestic violence and how they join the chorus of outcries for something to be done. Let all men brave and true show them that the only real way that they can keep themselves safe is by depending on men to change their behaviour. It has to be up to us blokes – we cannot let them see that they have the power to take control over their own welfare.