Roscop,

"...." Would have there been any medical evidence of these beatings or where they merely very soft beatings?"

You guys amaze me : )

I suppose you'd have to ask my mother whether she considered being bopped every other Saturday to be "very soft" beatings.

"....not the type of fear the domestic violence industry incessantly talks about."

Lol!....."the domestic violence industry"

As far as I can recall, the purveyor of domestic violence in my family was my dad. And just to give her a send off, after mum had fled from him and he had sent me away, he hid in some bushes near where she was staying and gave her a "not very soft" biffo one night which damaged her ear and her hearing.

He was subsequently run out of town - which I'm sure he envisaged prior to giving her his going away present.

That's the way it was back in the sixties - no support, and the perpetrators were either allowed to go on with it or eventually ostracized or banished.

Those damn feminists have a lot to answer for in the interim.

.....

Joe,

My dad was the only experience I've had with domestic violence....and believe it or not, he was a nice intelligent guy whenever he wasn't drunk and gambling....what a shame for him - and us.

My adult life has been free of that type of torment - whether by my own design or sheer good luck, who knows?

Cheers

Identifying the causes.

Alcohol. One the one hand you want more spent on education, yet, the do gooders took away many of the parents rights to education their children while at the same time fully educated the kids, to the enth degree, about their rights. Talk about pissing into a fan!

How does a parent educate their kids when they all too often don't even know where they are.

When I questioned my rights as a kid, my father toldnott to worry because he would tell me what was right and what was wrong and, if I didn't like that, tough luck because your ass is mine until you're 18.

Those days are long gone.

Same could be said for disrespecting women because most boys turn into men in their late teens and if dads not around, or they moved out because home was too strict (can you believe the law supported this) then they had no education and/or roll modeling from a father figure.

Of cause the other problem ariose where dad no longer existed and mum became a push over and if a young man has no respect for his own mother, what hope does his future partner have!

Immigration fallout, can you believe anyone could be stupid enough to invite races into our nation, knowing their total domination over, and disrespect for women, then cry wolf years later. Unbelievable!

Then there the druggies. These fools live from hit to hit and while the stash is there, all's good, but once the money runs out, often by way of welfare cash, the brown stuff hits the fan. Not just once, but time and time again. As I say, insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result.

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Then of cause there's indigenous DV, Unfortunateky this is pretty much a hands in the air situation, an unfixable problem that has been around since the dawn of alcohol, and if anyone thinks it's going to change simply by throwing money at it, think again, unless of cause we remove the cash.

Of cause that will in turn present a new set of problems, but at least one will be decreased.

The reality, almost racist I know, is that so long as you have generations who knowingly bring children into a world that has little to no future, you might as well lock the foxes up with the cooks each night.

We have thrown billions if not trillions over the years at this problem and apart from educating the few, who in turn screw us, we have achieved little, mainly because some people don't actually want to be helped.

Of cause if the offenders do happen to be locked up, we have the ever present problem of yet another death in custody to deal with.

WAKE UP PEOPLE,

So as I say folk, identify the causes and treat them. In fact, take out the above few mentioned and chances are we don't have a major problem after all.

Joe I'm still astounded that you despite your own knowledge of how thoroughly things that people Know can be wrong don't seem to have given any indication of examining the evidence. How much respect do you have for those who continue to push the well known line on Indigenous issues and ignore the evidence? You are better than that.

Suseonline and Poirot have consistently over a period of years worked to derail any discussion about DV where the victim is male. If it's not an attempt to ensure that male victims don't get the same sort of support that female victims get then it's difficult to see a plausible explanation for it.

The Qld premier has made a long awaited and good point. I'll be surprised if she truly understands the issue but it is a far better response than we have had from any other party leader in this country that I'm aware of.

Time to drop the gender tactics of public DV statements and programs, accept that both genders are capable of great good and great wrong and treat people on the basis of their situation rather than stereotypes. Time to tell everybody regardless of their gender that it's not OK to hit a partner or to bully them using the sort of tactics which have been canvassed elsewhere.

Where is the problem in that?

R0bert

Hi Robert,

I don't know what you mean by this:

"Joe I'm still astounded that you, despite your own knowledge of how thoroughly things that people Know can be wrong, don't seem to have given any indication of examining the evidence. How much respect do you have for those who continue to push the well known line on Indigenous issues and ignore the evidence? You are better than that."

Can you elaborate on what you are getting at ? Sorry, evidence of what ? What well-known line on Indigenous issues ? I didn't think I had one :) Are you referring to colonialism, or child removal, or the effects of welfare or grog or remoteness, or disdain for education and work ? If so, we can discuss whatever issues you mean.

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Joe
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"Suseonline and Poirot have consistently over a period of years worked to derail any discussion about DV where the victim is male...."

Au contraire, RObert,

There has been barely a thread on OLO in recent years that hasn't been opened to discuss domestic violence (77% of victims which are women) which you haven't immediately jumped onto to derail it by seemingly turning it into a contest of who's worse done by - men or women.

You've been fairly quiet in that respect on this thread, but I presume that's because you understood pretty much that otb had already taken care of that aspect. It didn't take him long to start regaling us of the violence attributed to women (on his "Holistic Approach to Domestic Violence" thread:)- even trying it on by posting figures that show men are more likely to be victims of violence (but, curiously, omitting the fact that most of the violence committed against men - is committed by men)

Roscop is now asking me whether my mum had evidence to prove that her beatings were more than "very soft".

It's an education coming here, I tells ya!