Hey Suseonline,

It sounds like you're having a dig at Jay of Melbourne for his comments on nationalism and my curiosity has gotten the better of me.
If you were bothered by his comments, I'm curious to know exactly which part bothered you?

Umm.. scratch that last comment..
I replied after only reading the first page of comments and I just realised there was another 7 pages on the thread.. Oops sorry.

Steelie old mate. I asked you these Questions & you never got back to me with your answers. Here they are again, just in case you forgot.

"Yes" or "No."

1) Do you consider a Secularphile to be an extremist who spreads hate against non-moslem unbelievers? 2) Do you agree that;
Australia must become the Great Southern Caliphate,
All Australians must become moslems,
Sharia Law must be implemented in Australia,
Homosexuals & Adulterers must be whipped & stoned in Australia,
All Women in Australia must wear the face Burka or similar covering.

Do you agree that you want these thing or not?

3) Persecution & Oppression does that mean anything that moslems declare as Persecution or Oppression, is, to Islam. E.g.:

Refusal to allow a moslem to marry & consummate that marriage with a child under the age of 16,
Refusal to be allowed to build a Mosque,
Refusal to move a Pig farm after a Mosque is build on the neighbouring land,
Refusing to grant a special day for moslems & screen off an area for moslem women at the Local Swimming Pool,
Refusal to put a screen around the Local Pool because the sight of so many naked bodies is offensive to moslems.
Refusing to pay to have a food declared Halal.
Refusing to let women wear the Burka, or other such women's clothing.
Refusing to recognize Sharia Law in Australia.
Refusing a moslem more than one wife.

Does Refusing any of the above list mean that moslems are being Persecuted, Oppressed, or that a “State of War” exists?
Equal rights.

A Moslem male is allowed to have a temporary wife while he is away from home.

Is a moslem wife allowed to have a temporary husband while her husband is away? Or, would she be committing Adultery?

Science question
Is the World flat or round like a ball?
Does the Sun travel around the Earth or the Earth travel around the Sun?

Medical question
Is illness caused by bad Jinns?

steelie: So we are to dismiss the laws of the Old Testament and follow Jesus' teachings instead?

Yair, I know. It's all crap anyway. The bible, old & new, torah & koran. All BS. Most of us know that.

There are bigger questions;

1. Are ununiformed civilians fighting as an army ethical?
2. Are ununiformed civilians sneaking into crowded areas & blowing themselves up ethical?
3.Are ununiformed civilians fighting as an Army & using their wives & children as human shields ethical?
4. is it ethical for a civilian suicide bomber to go into a crowded religious building & kill the people inside the building?
5. Is it ethical for an ununiformed civilian fighting as a soldier to shoot & kill uniformed soldiers?
6. Is it ethical for an ununiformed Civilian fighting as a soldier to claim that they were just an innocent civilian not doing any harm when they were wounded?

I note several here are not willing to accept that many call themselves christian but do not follow Christ. So they conclude their opinion on evil behaviour being Christian not on the teaching of Christ. There have been many falsely claim to be Christian but serve themselves in lust and power - this is not taught by Christ.

Christ came to fulfill the law of God not the National laws given to Israel, His principle being; one is to love God [desire right behaviour] and love ones neighbors as oneself [eauality], and pray for and bless ones enemies. He that is greatest in my kingdom will be a servant of others.

According to the Christian theologians (predominantly Catholic) I've read on the subject, the Old Testament is just as important as the New Testament. It's kind of obvious when you think about it: if Christians really thought that the Old Testament had been superseded, they'd have ditched it and Answers in Genesis would have had to call themselves Answers in Matthew. The fact they didn't indicates that it was still considered important - even the proddies stuck with it after they split off.

The whole of the Bible may or not be binding, but I think it's fairly safe to say that the Ten Commandments are considered binding. Including not only the Commandments about murder, theft and honoring the Sabbath, but also the ones about not making idols (have you seen that giant frigging statue they have in Rio?), adultery and not coveting your neighbours luxury yacht. So in a way it could be argued that there are precious few actual Christians out there. But I think an argument like that is premised on the no true scotsman fallacy and therefore unsound.

Which just goes to show that some religious people have a more relaxed attitude than others about supposedly binding religious strictures. I've had a beer with a Muslim, so obviously they're not all worried about the rules against drinking. I suspect more than a few of them snack during Ramadan. I would. Fasting is a mug's game.