Well Antje, the Catholics were horrified when they brought up
Mother Theresa and the Pope and I attacked both of them for various
reasons. People see things through different eyes and perspectives.

All I'm saying is if you plug any group, no matter how wonderful
you think they are, others will be free to attack those groups,
based on their own reasoning. So you can plug them if you insist,
but be aware of the consequences of doing that. You can howl
about it all you like, but thats what free and open debate is all
about.

Now I don't see what your group does as you do, I've said plenty
of that on various threads. I'll say it again if those issues
come up, giving my reasoning. Just don't be amazed if I do,
thats what I'm trying to get through to you. If you accept that
Pale will be attacked if its discussed, well fair enough,
thats just part of online debate, we all have to wear a few
on the proverbial chin now and then.

I'm sure RSPCA is attacked too. Most of what I've seen is from
other so called animal libber groups, all squabbling like the
various religious groups squabble with each other about which
version of their god is right. Perhaps squabbling is just
part of human nature.

Yabby

Well I am certainly seeing you with new eyes. Thank you for you most fair comments. Point taken too. I will as a result not mention organisations as often. I been trying to fight off another war. Nothing to do with the forum I am quick to add.

I didnt know animal welfare could get so nasty. To me everybody should be just working united for the one purpose.

Before I moved here I lived at the Snowy mountains and I have been involved in wild life since 84 and before that of course Germany, hence the name. I am not so old either by the way. I worked with National parks and Wildlife and was involved in many wild life groups internationally. Then I was offered a oportunity to help bring about new laws and accreditations for Roos and help with the live Animal exports.
I jumped at the opportunity.
I just thought you might like to know a little of whom you battle it out with on the threads. There has been unbelievable vicious pressure from extreme people. I have never been exposed to that before in my animal work. Guess my way of trying to help fight back has been to keep druming the name. Its sort of like saying. [We wont be bullied out of animal welfare.]

Believe it or not I enjoy your posts more than anybodies.
Its always interesting trying to keep up with you. You often make me laugh too although its probably not intended.
If the staff want to take off the tag I dont really mind Yabby. I didnt request it honestly. But I will always stand up for the group.
See you on the threads.
I might open a thread and just call it Antje answers questions about live exports

Antje

Robert once again Thank you for this thread.

Antje, this thread has been an interesting experiment so far. I think I'm learning and hope others are as well.

My thanks go to Graham for his patience with it, it may have added to his workload at times (unless it reduced it by concentrating some stuff in the one place).

If it gets those who do care about animal welfare but have differing views about aspects of it (eg how bad LE conditions really are) working together where they do agree and discussing the other bits in a more constructive manner then I'll be wrapped.

R0bert

Robert

Thank You


I hope so as well.

Yabby I have a message for you.

I was asked to tell you telstra have brought out a new gadget.

A friends sisters is travelling outback and just purchased one.

Its only $45.00. Apparently it hooks you straight up to broad band through telstra etc.

Its the size of a matchbox.

Its is less expensive to run through your phone than the other.

As soon as I get the name for it I will pass it on to you.

Antje

Antje, yup Telstra have brought out NextG for yuppies and their
laptops, but monthly fees and fees for heavier downloads are priced
accordingly. Clearly its the high value end of their market that
they are targeting first.

I'm told that in December they will actually bring out modems for
desktops, to plug into the NextG broadband network. Hopefully
pricing per month will be more reasonable then the present yuppie
price target for laptops. Most city people pay around 30$ a month
for broadband on their desktops. My point to Telstra has been that
its not my fault that their line out here is so pisspoor that
ADSL won't work. It would be cheaper for them and for me, if
they gave me access to the Telstra tower, which I can see from
my house, at a reasonable price, say 50$ a month. So we'll see
what the next installment is on that one.

I'm glad to see that Graham is thinking about the last 10 posts
button. It would be a win-win for all.

Yabby

Yes it would be good. Just so long as we could still view them if required.

I do want to make Robert too much work by coming in here all the time but I have been thinking.

Robert it really would not have been an issue with the Scout thingy if people posted in their real names. I understand you have already given your reasons for prefering a pretend name but I just wanted to point out its not a system that is fair to all.
As well as there should be one rule for everybody. Some have changed their post names without a word said. Others were suspended.
I think their should be some tolerance given to new posters and a warning and explanation first.

Yabby at least the yuppies are good for something I guess. They make it possible to introduce new equiptment and get slogged more than we will end up paying.

The particular ones I know can yolk up a bullock team break horses and still run farms. I guess it takes a bit of Yuppiness to get out there and talk with the world these days.

What I think they meant was if you pay a cafe internet provider to link to your match box going straight through to their broad band.

If you shop around you can get that for about thirty dollars a month.

Hope I have not got that message confused. It must drive you nuts being able to see the power lines and not just hook in.

I might go into your thread now and give Robert less work.

Antj