Poirot - You also are now guilty of selective quoting.

Try quoting the whole sentence not just the bits that suite your agenda.

Hi there PAUL1405...

I realise you're a deeply committed, and professed humanitarian, and for that I respect you enormously. But surely you must now realise that amongst many of these boat people there are a great number of those who are engaged in the systematic rorting of Australian immigration authorities, furnishing false ID's and fictitious antecedents, even evading officials attempting to learn of their original nationalities.

And now Paul here's the rub - because of the selfish actions of these illegals, the really legitimate refugees, who will do EVERYTHING possible, in order to convince the Oz authorities of their bona fides, by providing them with every shred of documentation, even crudely written letters from family and friends, all offered up as a 'references' of sorts, these poor buggers are further relegated back down in the queue.

The essential difference between a legitimate, really needy refugee, and a fake is this ? The fake will do every possible to make it difficult for authorities to return them to their original country. The real lynch-pin, these frauds, thoroughly understand and therefore manipulate, the entire, primary port of entry procedural undertaking ?

They have their answers down pat, and well rehearsed, lamenting the loss of some, or all modes of identification, that would substantiate their refugee claims ?

Whereas, the legitimate and desperate bona fide refugee, when they arrive here in Oz, they know absolutely nothing about our initial (entry) screening procedures. Consequently they've no idea how intense the initial interrogation might be ? Moreover they're petrified, to the point of acting like a stunned 'roo caught in the headlights of an approaching car. It's as simple as that my friend.

Genuineness and legitimate desperation, literally pours from these poor buggers, you can spot 'em a mile off, believe me.

"Poirot - You also are now guilty of selective quoting.

Try quoting the whole sentence not just the bits that suite your agenda."

Jolly good, Philip - that "was" the whole "sentence" (in common practice, the three dots preceding it were to indicate that it was part of a paragraph)...but here's the entire paragraph:

"However, every manipulative and conniving criminal, artfully posing as some poor wretched refugee ostensibly fleeing for his life ? While he's setting his compass and carefully steering the most direct and shortest course, towards the closest Aussie Social Security Office ? Geez we've been taken as mugs for the last seven or so years ! They can all now bugger off, with the kind assistance of the business end of a serviceable Barrett .50cal."

There, there...that makes it all so much more civilised (not)

(You should check your facts before strutting around giving orders:)

Put simply Philip S you said if the boat moves it is to be sunk. I can only assume you intend for the navy to sink the boat with its gun following a warning shot across it bow to stop, classic gunboat mentality. Then the survivors of the sinking, along with the dead plucked from the sea are to be loaded onto some orange boat and returned to Indonesia. That seems clearly to be your intention.

o sung wu, I can never ever condone shooting innocent unarmed people, no matter what others may or may not have done.

Some very silly statements on here.
Returning a vessel and its passengers to the port of departure could
never be construed as people smuggling.
By no stretch of the imagination could you come to that conclusion.

Not unless you were so one eyed that no matter what was done it would
always be people smuggling.

How about putting an equal amount of effort in defending Bill Shortlan
on his dodgy pay agreements with employers, or is it a non subject.

Bazz, if you want to have a go at Silly Billy and his dubious dealings while at the AWU, be my guest, fire away, feel free. Start the discussion when its convenient. I'll join in but don't expect any defense of Shorten by me.