Philip s,

"Poirot -

Here is what you posted.
"the navy should just fire a shot in front of the boat move forward and your boat will be sunk". (I fail to see three dots. Looks like you are also guilty of reposting what someone else has posted as being a quote without checking to see if it is accurate.)"

I was quoting Paul in that instance - and not o sung wu - as you well know.

That quote was accurate in the sense that it was what Paul had posted.

I thought you were referring to "my" quote of o sung wu.

Now I've finished with your pedantic blather so you can toddle off and police some other post.

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Loudmouth,

"Dearest darling Foxy,"

"Love always,"

I don't know about Foxy, but you're making me nauseous...you patronising little sweet talker you.

I'll bet you've got all the boys around here quivering in anticipation - waiting with baited breath for the day you decide to whisper sweet nothings to them.

And ya don't have any probs with this shonky govt being open for business with people smugglers? Not that I'm surprise the Abbott govt outfit has sunk to these means, but being as we're a signatory to certain conventions, it seems a little untoward for us to be doing deals and showering cash on the very people we've been demonising since forever.

What a crooked pack of charlatans we have in charge : )

Dear o sung wu,

What is it about retired NSW police detectives? I have just recently been subjected to a similar diatribe by a rather rotund gentleman who is the beneficiary of the pre-1988 largesse in the form of a very generous NSW police pension indexed to match his earlier wage. He too was banging on about refugees ripping off the system, of queuing at the local dole office, of expecting handouts. Later he was complaining about his mate who had also left well before his time but grabbed a lump sum of well over half a million dollars thank you very much.

This report talks of nearly 20% of NSW coppers being “restricted or absent” in some areas in 2011.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/439674/danger-money-legislation-changes-affecting-police/

Rorting of the NSW police death and disability scheme got so bloody bad that in 2011-12 it was costing the poor taxpayers almost the same each year as the wages bill for the entire force, over 3/4s of a billion dollars and expected to hit twice that this year.

My sister knew a young NSW detective, nice enough bloke, but who got out after serving less than 12 years and is now doing very well in business and real estate. He is also collecting an extremely generous pension because of the 'stress of the job'. At least he has the decency to be a little bit embarrassed by it.

He jumped after the government extended to pre 1988 benefits to those who joined later. The result was detailed here;

“In a letter to the NSW Police Association, Gallacher said the scheme had to change because medical discharge rates increased by 367per cent from 2007, and long-term sick leave by 152per cent.”

Now I have no idea about your own circumstances so will not point any of this directly at you but many of your mates certainly have got their snouts in the trough in a fashion that pretty well outstrips all other public servants bar the pollies.

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When Howard was dog whistling over Tampa I decided that despite being very busy running a couple of businesses I had to do something so I stuck my hand up to teach a refugee English. I was assigned a Vietnamese fellow who was a doctor in his home country but being Catholic and a child of a former South Vietnamese army figure, life was made especially difficult for him. He spent the first few months receiving benefits after arriving but quickly found work in a vegetable shop while also delivering pizzas at night. I met him weekly for nearly two years, working to improve his English rudimentary language skills. He was determined to pass the requirements for medical English which were of quite a high standard and expensive.

But with a young son he parked the goal to become a qualified doctor and instead strove for a house and a private education for his child. He's currently employed in a food processing plant doing some pretty arduous work, constantly in single figure temperatures and with hands that are a mess from the dampness and cold.

Last weekend was the occasion of another spin around the sun for me. He and his son paid a visit as they do each year even though it is nearly 10 years since I stopped formally teaching him. The gift is always embarrassingly generous. This is a man who is very grateful for the chances he has received. He has not rorted the system and I'm very proud to be part of a nation which gave him sanctity and opportunity.

My brother is an ex federal Policeman and he often talks about having to leave before he had become 'institutionalised'. By that he meant being part of that jaded group of coppers fixated on wages, conditions and leave.

My experiences are obviously completely different to yours but they, and the reported facts, do lead me to take any accusations from former NSW policemen about anyone else rorting the system with a very large dose of salt.

Foxy & Susie,
Perhaps you did not read my last post.
In it I pointed out that it could not be illegal to pay to have the boat sent back.
Returning a boat and passengers to port of departure could not be people smuggling.

Also it would not be iullegal to make that payment.

It really is that simple.
Why is it that no one understands that ?

With Tony Abbott, saying he will do "whatever is necessary" to stop the boats, and some on here calling for shots across the bow and sinkings, while another talks of using "the business end of a serviceable Barrett .50cal." What can we expect from the radical right presently in office? How far will the Mad Monk go with the'whatever is necessary' philosophy? We have in our lifetime witnessed tyrants and despots applying the 'whatever is necessary' phiosophy to perceived problems, Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein applied their own versions of the 'whatever is necessary philosophy to their perceived problems, with terrible results for humanity. Will this government go all the way, as some on here advocate? As one said there is no problem until it actually happens, or is there?

Poirot - Epic fail on your behalf, reposting something from someone else without checking if it is correct.

To Quote you. "Now I've finished with your pedantic blather so you can toddle off and police some other post." Translation I don't want to admit I was wrong so I will verbally attack the person who pointed out my error.