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The Fight with the Catholic Church in Australia.

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Foxy,

"Of course there's also the fact that some Australians
believe that they are not responsible for the past and
do not owe Indigenous people anything. A view advocated
for many years by some former political leaders"

None of us are in any way responsible for the past,
I am not responsible for my English ancestors' crimes against the Scots nor for my Scots ancestors' reciprocal crimes.

I feel no remorse for my Viking ancestors crimes, nor do I feel the least bit guilty about William the Conqueror.

Nor do I feel the least bit unhappy that the Irish have just voted "Yes".
Patrick Fitz Michael and Michael Fitz Patrick will now be happy, one hopes.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 24 May 2015 10:17:32 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

Our views are shaped by what our past experience
has prepared us to see and by what we consciously
or unconsciously want to see. Knowledge and belief
about the world do not exist in a vacuum; they are social
products whose content depends on the context in which they
are produced. Inevitably, you like anyone else, will be
guilty of some measure of bias - the tendency, often
unconscious to interpret things according to your own values.
This becomes particularly acute in subject matters which involve
issues of deep human and moral concern.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 24 May 2015 11:27:20 AM
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Foxy,
That has nowt to do with
"Of course there's also the fact that some Australians
believe that they are not responsible for the past...."

So in your book the Jews of today should believe that they are responsible for the death of Christ; or that Muslims should believe that they are responsible for the deaths at the Battle of Badr?

Are my English neighbours not correct in thinking that they bear no responsibility for the death, in 1920 whilst a prisoner of the British, of Terrence Mc Sweeney, Lord Mayor of Cork?

Blaming people alive today for things that were done before they were born is a primitive and dangerous line of thought.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 24 May 2015 11:56:52 AM
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Fox,

Then you are off to a particularly sad start in this discussion, irrationally believing as you do that,

(Fox),"Many Australians have never seen an Aboriginal Australian".

BTW, while some leeway is expected in public forums on the Net, where whole slabs of original work are copied and posted, quotation marks are only polite and credit given by citing the sources. 'Forgetting' the source is a phony excuse where there are whole paras word for word.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 24 May 2015 12:01:49 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

Nobody is telling you how or what to feel on any
issue. That is entirely up to you. People tend to
see the world from a viewpoint of subjectivity based on
personal values and experiences. You don't feel
guilty about our past - that's your business.
Many people do according to many authors,
journalists, media stories, and political figures.
You see things one
way, others see them differently. Kindly do not
read into my posts what isn't there or make assumptions
about me what you think I am saying.
Read what I actually have said.
Anything else - is not relevant.

otb,

I shall repeat again. Addressing posts to me is
a waste of your time.
I normally do not read past the first insult
or attempt at stirring. Baiting me is a waste of time.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 24 May 2015 4:21:00 PM
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Fox,

You are forever getting bent out of shape and playing victim when challenges to your opinions arise.

It is ridiculous of you to sledge Australians but claiming,

(Fox),"Many Australians have never seen an Aboriginal Australian".

Fabrications like that must be corrected lest repetition makes them appear to be fact.

Likewise it is fair to remind that where another's original work is copied and pasted there should be quotation marks and the source cited out of respect and for readers to check.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 24 May 2015 5:16:46 PM
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