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The Fight with the Catholic Church in Australia.
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Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 9:27:34 AM
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Here's a supplementary fact for those who are trying divert this discussion to pedophilia practiced in spheres other than the Catholic church.
"A spokesperson for the Sydney archdiocese confirmed Archbishop Fisher was referring to the church's Towards Healing protocol and Melbourne Response, initiated under Cardinal Pell's leadership. The Towards Healing process encouraged victims to go to the police but also contained provisions to relocate clergy who had been implicated in child sexual abuse to other positions within the Catholic Church. Under the Melbourne Response, a panel provided ex-gratia compensation payments to victims, but once victims went to police they were no longer eligible for compensation." http://www.smh.com.au/national/sydney-archbishop-anthony-fisher-defends-catholic-church-and-cardinal-george-pell-over-response-to-child-abuse-claims-20150525-gh9b30.html So who can point me to any other organisation which institutes a protocol that purposely denies victims compensation if they report the "crime" in question to police? Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:22:51 AM
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Wow!! A considered response from you, Paul.
Where has the wit gone? Am I getting to you? Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:22:56 AM
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I'll just ask are we using the same terminology?
A common mistake by people who have not delved deeply into the subject , is to be unaware of the terms ephebophilia , which refers to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents and hebephilia which refers to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals. Another common mistake is to use 'paedophilia' to erroneously describe the whole spectrum of sexual contact with the legally underage. This misuse will obviously skew statistics. Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 2:11:38 PM
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Is Mise,
No, I have not lost my wit, and no you could never "get to me". I enjoy our discussions, not withstanding the fact you are yet to win an argument with me on this forum, but that's life. That has more to do with the fact you support the ridiculous side of the debate, be it killing our furry friends of the forest with your high powered artillery, or be it your pathetic apologist approach to the child abusing Catholic clergy on this discussion. Now having be boxed senseless, metaphorically speaking, on the subject, you now embark on a new tack. We have all be wrong, those pedophilic, pedophile priests of the perverted Catholic Church are not pedophiles at all, they are something entirely different. Lets play semantics, call then ephebophilia's or hebephilia's we could even call them teddy bears, if that's what you want. No, lets call them what they are, dirty rotten child molesters, protected by the hierarchy of the Catholic church! Just so there is no ambiguity. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 5:50:32 AM
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Poirot,
>>So who can point me to any other organisation which institutes a protocol that purposely denies victims compensation if they report the "crime" in question to police?<< I am not a lawyer but I thought the offer of an out of court settlement, as the name suggests, usually has a condition that the victim would not sue, (because it assumes that if the victim did, the organisation would be sentenced to pay anyhow, in addition to bad publicity). This, of course, is just my answer to your question, and disregards the suffering and mental damage inflicted on the childhood sexual abuse victim which cannot be financially compensated for, be it in the form of an out of court settlement or a penalty payment ordered by the court. Posted by George, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 8:10:42 AM
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"This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men"
Obviously and fairly I extrapolate from that, men in the general community.
"Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy"
Totally ignoring RMIT Professor Des Cahill figure of 1 in 20 or as high as 1 in 15 about 7% or 20 times greater than your nonsense figure for Australia. Why so much on the Catholic Church if its all "normal" and not a Royal Commission into perverted plumbers?
And this from the ABC;
In an interview with Italian newspaper La Repubblica, Pope Francis said 2 per cent of clergy, including bishops and cardinals, were paedophiles.
That would equate to 8,000 of the 400,000 Catholic clergy worldwide.
In Australia, the Truth, Justice and Healing Council is compiling statistics on abusers for the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.
"It's 4 per cent of men who have been a priest in the Catholic Church at some point in Australia have been sex abusers," Mr Sullivan said.
He emphasises the statistics are historical and do not include serving priests.
Again even your wonderful pope puts the figure at 6 times times your figure.
As far back as 1999 the Catholic Church's independent commissioner, Peter O'Callaghan, QC, had referred about 65 complaints about clergy in the Melbourne archdiocese to the Towards Healing compensation panel in a 2.5 year period. I stree 65 makes you 0.3% figure look rather pathetic indeed.
Its not what you and others say about penalty that is important so much, but rather the way you try to minimise the church's culpability.
George Pell may never have actually abused any children physically, but he has done a good job of abusing many of them as adults, emotionally and psychologically, through his handing of their complaints.