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The Fight with the Catholic Church in Australia.

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I have named the Catholic Church in this discussion as they are by far the biggest serial offenders when it comes to the crime of institutional child abuse in Australia, but they are not alone, and they are not the only organisation to be involved in these heinous acts of physical, sexual and psychological abuse of children, over a very long period of time, there are others. However, along with these proven disgusting criminal acts by so many members of the church clergy, there has been the serious offence of lying, denial and cover up by the Catholic Church hierarchy. The latest allegations of attempted bribery put before the Royal Commission into child sexual abuse centers again on Cardinal George Pell, who until recently was the most senior member of the Catholic Church in Australia.
If more is proven, and given the past findings of the systemic culpability of the Catholic Church in Australia in relations to these matters, would it be appropriate for the State to take punitive action against the Church and suspend its “license” to operate within Australia? In my opinion there has been enough proven to justify such action, what do others think, and if in agreement what action could be taken? If they were a company, or a union committing serious crime action would have been taken long ago in the form of fines, jail for directors and officials and deregistration etc, what makes the Catholic Church so different!
To given an analogy; If many of the XYZ Motor Companies employees were purposely interfering with the safety of the vehicles manufactured, and if the company management to the highest level had covered this up, allowed it to continue, and engaged in criminal activity, even after it had been publicly exposed, would you expect the government to take punitive action against the XYZ Motor Co, or would you expect them to be paid to supply more vehicles to the government. Like we pay the Catholic Church to educate our children
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 22 May 2015 8:55:26 AM
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I absolutely agree that the Catholic Church should be made to pay for the collusion within it's ranks with the paedophiles it hid.
Why should criminals get away with such crimes just because they say they are the head of a church that preaches about supposedly good invisible gods?

No one is above the law, least of all those who put themselves out there as being morally above everyone else.
Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 22 May 2015 10:13:25 AM
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I suspect abuse of children began shortly after the Catholic clergy first arrived in Australia, not only did they bring their bibles with them from overseas, they most likely brought their disgusting practices as well. My own father who was born before WWI, spoke of the abuse of children by Catholic nuns, brothers and priests in schools and other institutions with nothing ever done about it. Like communism in Russia, Catholicism in Australia is a failed experiment, because like Russian communism, it has not adhered to its own principles and therefore failed itself.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 22 May 2015 10:48:36 AM
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Paul1405, "..because like Russian communism, it has not adhered to its own principles and therefore failed itself"

So you still harbour a fondness for communism, believing that it might work? There must be some interesting discussions among those 'Watermelon' Greens, including your leader Lee Rhiannon and her shadow, Rhiannon's featherweight Xerox machine, David Shoebridge.

It is also intriguing that while you castigate the Roman Catholics for introducing a culture of pedophilia to Australia, you are silent (along with other apologists) where Islamists importing toxic political systems, values, beliefs and practices to Australia and other Western democracies are concerned.

What is there to say that the political correctness of multiculturalism and the cynical ethnic vote-chasing by the Labour Party in the UK that concealed and shielded the child sex exploitation, drugging and trafficking by Pakistani migrants isn't inviting and introducing similar problems in Australia?

Rightly, the Catholic Church is due a clobbering with a chain-mail fist, but you and other leftists would never do the same where Islam is concerned and you duck the obvious lessons of Rotherham's (UK) 1,400 child sex victims and thousands more in other centres.

It is crucial that the power structures that allow child abuse, molesting and trafficking to occur and protect the offenders from prosecution be properly identified and examined. Rock spider celebrity to imported grub, they all likely share similar tactics to conduct and conceal their activities. It is possible there is communication and cooperation among them where child sex abuse and trafficking is organised, which is the greatest threat of all.

Enough of using pedophilia to serve the apparently more important secondary agenda, the leftist aim of trashing the Christian churches. That is bent.

If you really want to identify and treat the risks you and your Greens would not be playing favourites and would be relentless and resolute in identifying and dealing with child abuse without regard for and without the limitations of your political ideology.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 22 May 2015 12:26:03 PM
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The sexual abuse of children is horrendous and
intolerable and the failure of the church to
deal with it effectively has done immeasurable damage
to victims. The cover-ups, the protection of abusive
clergy and the refusal to admit egregious mistakes are
unjustifiable. We can't even begin to calculate the
damage these crimes have done to people's trust and to
the reputation of the church.

Cardinal Pell needs to come back to Australia and face
the problem he left behind. Trust is going to have to be
built from the bottom up by bishops and priests before
their pronouncements on morality from the pulpit will be
taken seriously again. Cardinal Pell needs to set an
example and face the mess he's denying squarely in the face
and answer the many accusations being levied against him.
He owes his church (and the victims) in Australia
at least that. Denial or memory lapses no longer cuts it.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 22 May 2015 4:52:59 PM
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strange how the Greens seem to be the biggest champions of leaving young Indigeneous kids in abusive environments.
Posted by runner, Friday, 22 May 2015 5:26:25 PM
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