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The Fight with the Catholic Church in Australia.
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Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 25 May 2015 11:40:23 AM
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when did facts ever count for anything with regressives Mise? Just look at the abuse in the homosexual community. It just does not fit their narrative.
Posted by runner, Monday, 25 May 2015 11:42:59 AM
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Fox,
Referring to your post of Sunday, 24 May 2015 5:59:49 PM, wherein you quote an actor as your source of fact and expertise on Australian society. (Fox quoting an actor as her 'expert' source), "Many Australians have never seen an Aboriginal Australian". It is still a load of horse manure of course. Even people such as yourself, who must lead very sheltered existences in some 'higher' tone, secluded, gated community MUST rub shoulders with indigenous when they go into the street and shopping centres. Very likely your problem of not coming across indigenous people in your life is that you have a mental image, a stereotype, of what an Aboriginal looks like and how they act too. Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 25 May 2015 11:48:24 AM
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Again folks, more insults, wrong assumptions, and
persistent baiting from otb. This time I shall respond. Phillip Noyce is a world famous, award winning Australian Film Director whose knowledge and experience is celebrated and recognised internationally. When he speaks, he speaks from experience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Noyce As for much of my knowledge of our Indigenous People? This comes from not only my wide and varied work experience (both in this country and overseas) but also from the research of primary sources and archival records, as well as large numbers of books, articles, films, novels, and other sources. Henry Reynolds tells us that we can know a great deal about the history of our Indigenous-Settler relations, and Aboriginal people in general. But knowing brings burdens which can be shirked by those living in ignorance. With knowledge the question is no longer what we know but what we are now to do, and that is a much harder matter to deal with. As I cited earlier, this will continue to perplex some of us for many years to come. Others not so much, and still others - not at all. Dear Paul, Thank you for this discussion. I look forward to more in the future. For me this one has now run its course. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 25 May 2015 12:28:33 PM
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Fox,
You are looking very shaky indeed on that podium of superior morality that you are forever mounting to judge, lecture and admonish others, when you claim that, (Fox quoting an actor as her 'expert' source), "Many Australians have never seen an Aboriginal Australian". It leaves you open to the charge that you yourself have such a stereotypical image of Indigenous people that they must fit, otherwise you don't recognise them as being Indigenous. Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 25 May 2015 1:53:36 PM
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Just a reminder that National Reconcilliation Week (NRW)
is on this month. There are some very interesting Exhibitions on display. In our area - We Opened with our first Exhibit on Wednesday 20 May, 6.00pm - with a provocative series of works engaging ideas of Aboriginal sovereignty and identity. Then from the 27th May (this Wednesday) until 3 June we are proud to present a range of free programs that acknowledge and celebrate Indigenous culture. The launch features a traditional smoking ceremony, Welcome to Country and performances, followed by morning tea in the Art Gallery, with floor talks by exhibiting NRW artists. Check the details for program information and bookings in your local area. It will be worthwhile. I highly recommend it. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 25 May 2015 5:35:34 PM
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The horror and tragedy of priests involved in the sexual abuse of minors can hardly be overstated, but some of the reporting has contained falsehoods and downright fabrications. So Crisis has put together a list of the ten most common false media claims along with fact-filled responses to them.
1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.
This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia. In the recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by the media as "pedophiles" are actually guilty of molesting young children. (updated information by the editor: In a recent interview (July 2014) Pope Francis said that 2% of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles, information the Pope said he received from advisors)"
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/common-misconceptions/9-myths-about-priestly-pedophilia.html
Now this coming from a Catholic source will be seen by many as biased, but let's not have the usual dismissive nonsense but a rebutal of their statements with references.
References are missing entirely from the OP.