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Defining Aboriginality

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Josephus, you could say the same thing about anyone, a 5th generation Anglo-Australian. a Greek, a whatever. Why single out an Aboriginal as special in that regard. They may well have a higher percentage on welfare than average, the facts say they do, but as a disadvantage group in general, I would expect that. It is not unique for Aboriginals to become welfare dependent, many white people are also welfare dependent people.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 6 March 2015 8:58:26 PM
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I have not singled out aboriginals living in general community they are treated as community. I am suggesting Government assist aboriginals to 1/8 caste to set up their own industries and all others no matter their race mix be considered the same as the general community.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 6 March 2015 9:05:51 PM
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Paul1405,

Your red herrings change nothing. There is no hiding from the facts and sweet reason of the poster I quoted.

Just leaving aside the huge relative numbers of indigenous completing tertiary study compared with the Australian population and the strong support of the taxpayer that allows them to complete their courses, there is the alternative of a broad array of skills training and employment available under apprenticeships and the TAFEs.

Policies that have been in place for years ensure that any indigenous who wants a job will be assisted into one and will receive training, development and counselling support to get wherever s/he wants.

Just wondering why young indigenous men fall well behind the indigenous women in their take-up of the training and work though.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 6 March 2015 9:11:23 PM
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Josephus,

Any programs should be inclusive with indigenous input, not white man imposing what he see as best. Workable posative ideas should always be welcomed.
Following is a link to the 'Indigenous Governance Awards' this is positive, I applaud it.

http://www.reconciliation.org.au/iga/

Beach,

There are no red anythings from me. You always seem to be looking for any opportunity to dump on 'non whites' in society, could that have something to do with your extreme right views?

<<Policies that have been in place for years ensure that any indigenous who wants a job will be assisted into one and will receive training, development and counselling support to get wherever s/he wants.>>

I agree society makes a special effort with disadvantaged indigenous youth/people, I have no problem with that. Government through 'Centrelink' and other organisations tries to offer assistance to all job seekers, and so it should.

The Abbott Government has managed to push youth unemployment to 27%, and that is in the general community. It is a major catastrophe in Australia, and the only answer Abbott has is to cut off youth benefits for six months, a national disgrace.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 7 March 2015 6:58:03 AM
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Paul1405, "You always seem to be looking for any opportunity to dump on 'non whites' in society, could that have something to do with your extreme right views?"

Yet another red herring, another personal slur. Please show exactly how quoting Loudmouth's post is 'dumping on non-whites'. How could publicising the high numbers of indigenous completing university study be 'dumping' on them?

To take the example of construction, where a very broad range of skilled, semi-skilled and labouring vacancies exist and workers are being brought in on short-term vizas (under the Gillard/Greens government as well), it is an indisputable fact that any indigenous applicant would be given preference, an immediate start and whatever training and support s/he wants.

So if any of those indigenous you talk about are keen to work you know what to do. It would only take one phone call and government and the private sector are there to help. Government would lay on a bus.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 7 March 2015 9:24:56 AM
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Beach you didn't put up the phone number! I am in favor off ALL in society who can work, and should work, working, black, white or brindle, full stop. On the broader issue I know we are too soft on a lot of people in society and allow them to get away with murder when it comes to making a genuine effort at obtaining employment. Pension shifting is one of the greatest cop outs going. How many people are on a Disability Support Pension or a Carers Payment/Allowance when they have, or do no such thing, and genuinely could work.
Having said that, we do have an employment problem and we should do all we can to assist those in need. Is your view different to that?
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 7 March 2015 12:21:46 PM
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