otb,

I'll happily get on a plane -
after you. Then we can both share our
experiences. I'll even introduce you
to my many friends and colleagues with whom
I talk regularly. ;-)

@rehctub

i agree with you.

they are criminals motivated by greed with no consideration given to the thousands of lives lost and destroyed (18,000 deaths due directly to drug abuse p.a.)
they went to another country to commit such crimes with their eyes and pockets open
and they are convicted in the court of law ( meet the reqms of the advocates of due legal processes and technicalities)

i am skeptical about their conversion... more like they are saving their skin (see how effective death penalty and barbaric 24 strokes of the cane can do)
even if they are genuine, that can only be good for their souls
and may this serve as a grim reminder and warning to australians that not all nations are as stupid and forgiving as us in such matters

hang them asap and let us start to educate our children... and some older members here in this forum

Dear Platy,

Many of us could certainly use an education on a
variety of subjects, that's for sure.

However, killing these two by firing squad is not
goind to solve Indonesia's drug problems. If
capital punishment was a detterrent - Indonesia
would not have the ongoing drug problem it has.
And no matter how many they kill - the problem
continues to exist. The society is corrupt.
Their judiary is corrupt, their police are
corrupt, and drugs are freely available - even in
their jails.

Killing people is not going to change any of this.

Foxy: The society is corrupt. Their judiciary is corrupt, their police are corrupt, and drugs are freely available - even in their jails.

True. Can I quote you at other times on other subjects at some other time?

Killing people is not going to change any of this.

Maybe not in Indonesia but if it's given enough Air Play & TV time & advertised everywhere possible here, maybe, just maybe, it might get through to Australians who inclined to do those things here. If no then Bang!

Dear Jayb,

Now you're making fun of me.

But that's allright.

Decisions about capital punishment are not
really about deterrence. They are about
retribution - about a society's revenge on
people who commit what are seen as heinous
crimes. Whether such retribution is
justified is not a matter of measureable facts,
It is a moral judgement for each individual/country/state -
to make. And apparently Indonesia (for whatever reason
it chooses to give) has made its decision.

In any event, there are as we know many people who do favour
the death penalty.

Personally, I don't.

Fox, "The society is corrupt. Their judiary is corrupt, their police are corrupt, and drugs are freely available - even in their jails"

Something you might remind yourself of when you are spruiking the endless 'diversity-Australia-has-to-have' and lambasting as 'racism' and 'xenophphobia' the often expressed suggestion that immigration should always be preferring the most suitable migrants.

Many here would remember your dogged refusal to accept the substantial evidence that the cruel sexual abuse and trafficking of young girls in Rotherham and other UK centres was directly consequential to and rooted in Kashmiri migrants from Pakistan importing their corrupt political system, culture, values and criminality. Similarly Somali Muslims must be assessed as being far higher risk.

However where it suits your convenience you are caustic about the culture and institutions, government and judiciary in particular, of Indonesia. By implication too, you trash other SEAsian countries who are trying to root out the corruption from drugs - drugs that many of the Australian educated middle class (and soy cafe latte leftists) - readily buy to encourage the drug trade (and trade in illegal weapons, remember terrorist Man Haron Monis and his illegal gun that authorities say was smuggled into Australia!).

Thanks though for providing another example of the difficulty the leftists experience where others try to engage them in any discussion of morals. The leftists not having any solid ground where morals are concerned, it is all relative, and believing in survival of the opportunist with the most recent glib excuse.