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Planned executions, should they or shouldn't they?

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Dear rehctub,

Indonesians have made it quite clear that -

"We will not compromise with drug syndicates and
drug dealers." That their law must be upheld.

We've heard this time and time again on the news.
And of course, on the face of it - this seems
fair enough. Or does it?

What's happened to the other nine involved in
the drug smuggling? I believe they were granted
life imprisonment. It seems that these two remaining
men would have also eventually been granted the same penalty
on appeal had the same people remained in power. However, the
current new President is gung-ho on the death penalty -
and apparently - nothing can sway him from it.

It will be interesting to see how much influence the
PM and the Foreign Afairs Minister Julie Bishop can exert.

Personally, I am against capital punishment. I don't
believe it is really about deterrence. It's about
retribution - about society's revenge on a person who commits
heinous crimes.

Whether such retribution is justified is not a matter of
measurable facts, it is a moral judgement for each
individual to make. And Indonesia it seems has made that
judgement.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 16 February 2015 3:26:14 PM
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No Foxy, it is about ridding our society of some very nasty useless scum, permanently. If it stops others great, but if not, at least, this pair well not be back breaking laws again.

This is the only way to get rid of such scum. Put in prison, just like Corby, they will be out again, trying some scam, in no time.

Personally if the Indonesians are having trouble finding the ammunition, I'll send them some, if it will speed the process.

The time taken is the only bad thing in my opinion. They should have been done with in days of the guilty verdict. All the rest really is torture of them & their families.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 16 February 2015 5:15:45 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Thank You for sharing your moral judgement
with us on this occasion.

Some people feel that those who kill another
human being or commit heinous crimes
such as drug trafficking - should pay the
supreme penalty and forfeit their own lives,
others feel that human life is so sacred that
society is demeaned when the state kills its
citizens, however grave their offence.

In any event, Indonesia has already decided the fate
of these two men. And you're right in pointing out
that the death penalty should have been carried
out immediately, but it never is - I guess to
minimise the chance of an innocent person being
executed. Courts permit an elaborate review
process that sometimes lasts a decade or more - as
has happened in Indonesia - in this case.
Of course had the Australian Federal Police not
reported this matter to the Indonesian authorities -
and allowed the drug smugglers to make it back to Australia
than they would be serving a life sentence here and
we wouldn't be discussing this case.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 16 February 2015 5:34:07 PM
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"Of course had the Australian Federal Police not reported this matter to the Indonesian authorities - and allowed the drug smugglers to make it back to Australia.."

It was the offenders not the AFP who chose Indonesia as the place of their arrest.

As any reasonable thinking person would realise, the police are compelled to make the arrest as soon as the physical evidence is acquired. Otherwise the evidence could be lost. As well, members of the public could be placed at risk an longer than absolutely necessary before police make their move.

The ABC is playing a lead role in fostering disquiet about the AFT and risking Indonesian/Australian relations with its speculative gossip and stirring in lieu of reporting the facts. To their shame, Tony Abbott and crew and L'il Willie Shorten and crew are being swept along by the media on this one. If they had a walk in any street and met the working public and took less notice of the Twits of the Twiterati and media hacks out to sensationalise, they would not be pressing Indonesia they way they are.

The media, the commentariat and the the politicians are putting SE Asian noses well and truly out of joint over two drug traffickers. There is a very real risk that the hard yards diplomacy of PMs and senior bureaucrats before them will all be undone. It took years for Australia NOT to be seen as such a fat-@rsed, privileged, judgemental, carping white nation looking down on Asia. There are resentments simmering away in Asian countries that could easily re-surface.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 16 February 2015 6:43:31 PM
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These people are not being executed for what they done.
They are being 'topped' because it is the law of the land.
Perhaps a few kids might think twice now.
Bit silly at this point for their lawyer to make a statement that the trial judges could be bribed but that they didn't have enough cash to meet their prices.
That will ensure the executions take place for sure.
I had a mate who married the "Matron" of Changi prison in Singapore.
She was the person that pulled the handle that hung Barlow and Chambers for their drug crimes.
She said the executions hardly raised a comment in her country because they were expected under the law.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 16 February 2015 6:48:20 PM
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I think capital punishment is primitive and does not serve any purpose other than saving money compared to keeping someone behind bars for life.

They knew of the risks involved with exporting drugs from Indonesia, saying they were playing a 'prank' or that they were ignorant of what they were doing is naive.

I tend to think about the pain and misery to our sons, daughters and friends their greed could have meant to Australians.

I think our government dollars would be best spent on stopping the scourge and proliferation of drugs in Australia rather than waste their time trying to save greedy people who try to import heroin and other drugs into our country.
Posted by johnnyperth, Monday, 16 February 2015 7:28:00 PM
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