Fox,

BTT

As was said earlier, it is obvious to all that some migrants are poor choices and in the UK, government has let a trusting public down. The responsibility for what went wrong at Rotherham does not stop with local government and the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government.

The accountability ultimately rests with the Minister for Security and Immigration for the failure to effectively screen for suitable migrants. If some cultures present high risks, why are they being given preference ahead of other more suitable prospects?

This should be of interest to posters here

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf

otb,

Sarfraz Manzoor writing in The New York Times
summed it up rather well regarding Rotherham.

"What may seem like a story about race and
religion is as much one about power, class, and
gender. The Pakistanis who raped and pimped
and got away with it was because they targeted
a community even more marginal and vulnerable
than theirs - a community with little voice and
even less muscle - white working-class girls
(and girls in care)."

She was not blaming the victims - but the class system
that exists in the UK.

"In the rush to denounce multiculturalism it would
be wise to consider not only what gave the
perpetrators the license to abuse - but also to
reflect on what led to the victims being su under-valued
that their cries were ignored."

Fox,

She? Your informant is a man of Pakistani birth who is doing what you yourself are doing, spinning 'victimhood' to excuse the foul scum who trafficked, drugged, threatened and beat up a known 1,400 girls of school age, but the actual number is known to be well in excess of that.

It is truly disgusting that you would side with him in comparing those relentless, pitiless criminals with their child victims. Each and every one of their victims is a real person who has been grievously harmed. Some gave birth and all will live with the memory forever. Those made addicted to hard drugs have very poor futures.

There is NO excuse and NO rationalisation of the dreadful crimes they committed, and other Muslim men committed against white girls elsewhere in the UK, in Oxford, Rochdale, Darby and Telford to cite some others that you and your informant are obviously in denial about as well.

"The Oxford sex gang was a group of seven men who preyed extensively on pre-teen and under-age teenage girls in Oxford, England, from 2006 before their belated arrest and prosecution. In May 2013, they were convicted of sexual offences including rape, conspiracy to commit rape, arranging or facilitating child prostitution, trafficking for sexual exploitation, and procuring a miscarriage. The victims were "subjected to sexual violence marked out by its sadism: sexual assaults designed to draw blood, multiple rapes, [and] physical attacks in which [they were] choked". As in the similar Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby and Telford prosecutions, the majority of gang members were of Muslim backgrounds, and the girls were white. This led to renewed national discussion of whether the crimes were racially motivated and whether the early failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racism."
[Wikipedia]

It is interesting that your 'Progressive' values put your culturally-cringing leftist aims of endless diversification and multiculturalism ahead of the shocking rape of minors. -Interesting order of priorities, the first being to ignore and reject the negative outcomes of their social experimentation. That explains why leftist 'Progressives' abhor freedom of speech.

otb,

I shall once again repeat the facts for your
benefit - perhaps this time they just may sink in.

Nobody is spinning victimhood to excuse anybody
else. That is absolute nonsense - But it's your mantra.
And yes, it is disgusting that you persist with
that inference - especially directed at myself.

Cut the nonsense about "freedom of speech,"
and "Progressives" et al - it is an inappropriate
way to argue. For example -
I don't call you a "retarded regressive," with
a comprehension disability - or a goose-stepping
right-wing nutter, whose concepts are too vague
and sweeping in their scope. I don't say that
your're prone psychologically to see the world in
very rigid and stereotypical terms or that you reject
any bit of thinking that differs from your own (hence
your consistent shrills about "freedom of speech" a
concept that you don't really understand). No I wouldn't
dream of saying anything like that to you. I was brought
up to be polite.

Numerous studies have been done on the Rotherham scandal.
And as Prof. Alexis Jay has stated - the truth about
child sex abuse in Rotherham is that, at the highest
level of the local establishment nobody cared. Ultimately
this, more than either "political correctness" or race, or
religion,
explains why the tragic victimisation and abuse of these
girls could have happened on such a scale and continued
for so long.

It was a toxic mix of class and misogyny. A few of the girls
were from middle-class homes, but the majority were working-class
girls, many of them in care.

It is not just their abusers who thought they were worthless.
So did the police, councillors, social workers, psychiatrists,
doctors, and local "worthies" who dismissed these girls as
"rubbish" not worth bothering about.

It is well documented that child sexual abuse is more
likely to occur to younger children, children from
disadvantaged backgrounds, from families whose parents
(if they have any) suffer from mental health issues,
substance or alcohol abuse/addiction and from families
where there is a lack of access to services.

cont'd ...

Failures by those charged with protecting
children despite reports, despite council,
social workers and police knowing what was going
on. The authorities involved have a great deal
to answer for. These were children and they
should have stepped in. It should have been
stopped and prevented. It wasn't. All because
these poor girls were regarded as "rubbish,"
and "worthless." That is a toxic mix of
class and misogyny.

These girls came from a community that was even more
marginal and vulnerable. With little voice and less
muscle.

Therefore as stated previously - in the rush to
denounce multiculturalism it would be wise to consider
not only what gave the perpetrators the license to
abuse, but also to relfect on what led to the poor
victims being so under-valued that their cries were
ignored.

I have nothing further to add on this subject.