If anyone needs to know about Rotherham, then just google it. There are pages on it.

In a nut shell. Rotherham is a place in UK where it is now exposed the local authorities and police allowed child sex exploitation rings to operate for years and did nothing about it. It is estimated this involved some 1400 underage girls, so is of epic proportions. The stories of the victims are shocking.

The rings were allowed to operate because the senior authorities did not want to be called 'racist' if they acted against the perpetrators. So the girls were blamed and labeled 'slags'

It is now over six months since the first report came out and finally the UK government is starting to act. The local council has been sacked and administrators installed.

It seems only five persons have been convicted, but the word is that there is to be many facing courts soon. Let us hope this is so, including those in authority that failed to act.

My question is can this scandal happen here in Aus? If so what basic action can we take to prevent it and will our politicians and bureaucrats learn from the Rotherham child sex scandal.

Banjo,

The apparatuses of the State will most certainly not "learn" anything. Take a step on the global stage and notice that our politicians of all persuasions are the Southern Hemisphere equivalents of the spineless, cowardly, and self-serving English school of political administration; led by an inanimate governor who goes by the name of Political Correctness.

My question is can this scandal happen here in Aus? It happens daily in the Indigeneous communities. Culture triumps over protection of kids. Its amazing that even Fairfax is now reporting on child abuse among Muslims

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/muslim-child-bride-was-pregnant-court-told-20150211-13bw8o.html

Dear runner,

You wrote;

"My question is can this scandal happen here in Aus? It happens daily in the Indigeneous communities."

And as the overwhelming evidence tells us in our Churches, our Synagogues, and probably in our Mosques.

Dear Banjo,

Got a new skin for that drum yet? Me thinks it needs a fresh one.

Greetings Banjo,the disease that is “uber social consciousness” has spread through all the western first world administrations. Astoundingly it is a manifesto which has a secret base ideology of factionalization, but a public credo of integration.

Rotherham shut its eyes for 16 long years...we know that all the local politicians and cops resigned, but where were the white poms. There was a gang of Muslim Paki rapists in Sydney in the early 90’s and the media and talk back cried for them to be found and arrested, they were are all still in jail.

The Cronulla riot was a statement of awareness if nothing else. But it exhibited that we have a limit and our youth will voice the communities concerns. Banjo the poms are finished....but not us.

Child abuse in Australia has existed for generations
in all states and territories. We have a Royal Commission
currently investigating institutional child sexual abuse.
The stories and depth of the abuses are horrific. As we've
seen through the media and other reports.

The following link also provides some details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_in_Australia

We're told that according to a report that recorded
the types of child abuse reported in Australian
States and Territories in 2011-12 there were 48,420
substantial cases of child endangerment, of which 5,828
were cases of sexual abuse.

Evidence from reports indicate that the majority of
sexual assaults in Australia were undertaken by
perpetrators who knew the victim. According to a 2009 report
by the ABS (Australian Bureau of Statistics) 40 per cent
of sexual assaults reported to law enforcement agencies
in Australia that year took place against children under
the age of 14. This statistic includes sexual assaults that
adults said were committed against them when they were
under the age of 14.

The percentage of cases in which the child had a familial
relationship with the perpetrator were - 26 per cent of
cases in South Australia, over 20 per cent in ACT, and
Tassie, 39 per cent of cases in NSW and 30 per cent of
cases in Queenland.

In March 2014 - the ABC reported that police identified 30 -40
children under the care of the Department of Human Services in
Victoria who had been abused by paedophile gangs.

In 2007 the Queensland Children's Commissioner reported that
some 70 per cent of psychiatric patients are known to have
been sexually abused as children.

It seems that Rotherham in the UK is not the only place
that has had a child sexual abuse problem that went on
undetected for years. There are many other areas across Britain
with the same problem.
As there are within Australia.

SteeleRedux

a moral relativist suddenly finding a moral compass. What a surprise!

Foxy,
The big difference in the Rotherham situation is, like the Bankstown rapes, it has been done on a racial basis. The girls were targeted because of their race. All on an epic scale that the police and council ignored. They turned a blind eye to what was happening because they wanted to appease the ethnic community.

I suggest you google Rotherham child sex scandal and read. The stories of the victims are horrorfing. Some victims were 11 and they were groomed to provide 'entertainment' for scores of ethnic men. There are at least 100 babies born from these rapes.

Sure there are instances of child sex abuse in all communities, but not on such a scale and with virtual approval of authorities. The latest report states it is far more widespread than Just Rotherham, rings were operating in other places as well. Victims claim they still see perpetrators driving around with young girls in their cars.

Steele,
Yep still beating the drum, and will continue until the dopey idiots in Canberra completely abandon any semblance of multiculturalism and stop importing those that have shown us they will not integrate. We can do without alien cultures.

Foxy,
Rotherham is similar in some ways to other cases but unique because of the number of outsiders to a particular ethnic subculture turning a blind eye to illegal activity for their own reasons.
You can find cases where for example a senior Policeman of the Catholic faith covered up criminal behaviour by priests, it's unusual for non Pakistani, non Muslim Police and public officials to cover for Pakistani Muslim criminals.
You can't even really call Rotherham a cover up, the illegal activity was blatant and overt, complaints about the Pakistani gangs were made and received by the responsible authorities and they simply refused to act.
Minister Eric Pickles report to the house of commons detailed an almost complete breakdown of proper procedure in Rotherham council where a culture of bullying and perverse "political correctness" had demoralised and corrupted the whole system.
http://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/report-of-inspection-of-rotherham-metropolitan-borough-council

"Poor governance is deeply seated throughout the council
There is a pervading culture of bullying, sexism, suppression and misplaced political correctness which has cemented the council’s failures
Both members and officers lack the confidence to tackle difficult issues for fear of being seen as racist or upsetting community cohesion
The council is currently incapable of tackling its weaknesses, without a sustantial intervention
The council lacks political leadership
It is directionless and is not clear what kind of organisation it wants to be, and how it will get there
It is clear that the political leadership of the council is unable to hold officers to account, and there is an inability of all members to properly represent the interests of local people"

Banjo, this is an article from the ABC so they don't mention that the Shepparton and Dandenong "grooming gangs" are made up of Afghan men who arrived as refugees:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-11/criminal-gangs-enticing-children-in-state-care-into-prostitution/5313632

http://pokiepleasures.com.au/afghani-rapes-teenagers-female-judge-barbara-cottrell-gives-him-a-rap-over-the-knuckles-the-age-61/

Dear Banjo,

The statistics of child sexual abuse for Australia
are far higher than in Rotherham. And cover-ups
have also occurred as we well know. In Australia
the sexual abuse has gone on for generations.
And in a report cited earlier the types of child
abuse reported in Australian States and territories
in 2011-12 were 48,420.

I have read
Prof. Alexis Jay's report into how gangs of
mainly Asian men groomed, terrorised and abused 1,400
girls as young as 11 in Rotherham over a 16 year period.

Professor Joy has also warned that paedophiles are
abusing children within an hour of grooming them online.
She spoke of the dangers of "social media" and
"social networking" sites. She warned that these "new and
different means of exploitation online can shift"offline very
fast ...within an hour or so."

The following link explains further:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11160003/Children-are-being-abused-an-hour-after-being-groomed-online-Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-expert-warns.html

"gangs of mainly Asian men"

Political correctness throwing a tarpaulin over the real offenders from the Kashmir, Pakistan.

<In the wake of the Rochdale grooming convictions, it's time to stop lumping Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus together as 'Asians', argues Hardeep Singh.

Is it time to stop using the word "Asian"? In recent weeks Britain's Sikh and Hindu communities have complained angrily about the use of the misleading term in reporting of the Rochdale grooming convictions of men of Muslim Pakistani descent...

Obviously Sikhs and Hindus and other "Asian" non-Muslims, including Jains, Zoroastrians, Christians and Buddhists, don’t want to be associated with sexual grooming of vulnerable white girls. The vast majority of Muslims don’t want to either. The girls targeted in Rochdale, Derby and now in Luton are all non-Muslim. This is nothing new for British Hindus and Sikhs, who have complained about targeting of their girls for decades; Indians refer to the practice as "love-jihad".

Judge Gerald Clifton, who sentenced the men in Rochdale, indicated they thought the victims were “worthless” and “beyond any respect”. He asserted that one of the motivations behind this was “they were not part of your community or religion”. This is not the first time that this has been suggested: at a Hindu Forum conference in 2007, the then Metropolitan Police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, revealed how the police were working to clamp down on “aggressive conversions” of vulnerable girls. The following year, a blog site called "Sikh4aweek" which called on Muslim "soldiers" to "hunt" down Sikh university students during freshers week was forced to close following complaints to the police and Google.

It is for the Muslim community and its leaders to decide what is behind the trend, and what to do about it; but it is time for politicians and the press to bear in mind that in the context of these sex crimes, as with violent extremism, female genital mutilation, forced marriage and honour killings, the vague term "Asian" serves no purpose

The common denominator: targeting of non-Muslim girls>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9314448/Its-time-to-stop-using-the-word-Asians.html

If the federal government were to learn anything from Rotherham it would be that it isn't only known and named criminal gangs and terrorists who bring toxic values, traditions and behaviour to Australia. There are ethnics who are every bit as likely to present threats to the safety and wellbeing of Australians and are likely to be corrosive to the democratic traditions and freedom we value.

There is no reason why for example, Somali or Kashmiri Muslims, especially without papers and a proved record of good behaviour, should be preferred and allocated priority over the many thousands of better prospects for citizenship and contribution to society (through work skills known to be in short supply, for a start).

The objectives of Australia's migration program need to be restated, direct consultation entered into with the public and a mandate sought for the policy and practices. It would be surprising indeed if voters supported the appeals system and wouldn't prefer the Dept of Immigration to have the final say instead.

Foxy,
You can try and play the Rotherham scandal down but to no avail. It is bigger than Ben Hur in the UK and is expanding as more information comes to light.

You don't like it because it is yet another slur against your beloved multiculturalism ideology. Face it MC is the basic problem here, simply because of the importation of persons of different culture and different social standards. There is one glaring similarity between Rotherham and the 60 gang rapes in Sydney, 2000. The perpetrators in both consider the anglo girls to be whores and can be treated however they wish. That is muslim culture and the males are taught this from the cradle. That is the reason they were targeted. So the simple fact is that we have allowed the importation of groups with different standards in the mistaken belief that they will integrate and be part of our society.

Those that support MC and diversity have much to answer for, both here and the UK.

Dear Banjo,

I am not trying to "downplay" anything.
What I am doing is presenting information to you.
How you take this information - is something
over which I don't have any control, however
I feel obliged to continue.

According to the link given below - only a tiny
minority of Muslim men were involved in abusing
girls. Furthermore, it has become apparent that
many Muslim girls were abused too - but a culture
of shame stopped them from coming foreword.

We're told that the truth about child sex abuse in
Rotherham is that, at the highest level of the
local Establishment - nobody cared.

Ultimately this, more than "political correctness"
or race explains why the tragic victimisation and
abuse of these girls could have happened on such a
scale and continued for so long.

The link makes it quite clear that it was a toxic mix
of class and misogyny. A few of the girls were from
middle-class homes, but the majority were working-class
girls, many of them in care.

It is not just their abusers who thought they were
"worthless." So did the police, councillors, and local
"worthies" who dismissed these girls as "rubbish" not
worth bothering about.

Take a read:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/09/class-and-misogyny-not-political-correctness-explain-rotherhams-abuse-scandal/

Foxy,
Recognize the comparisons you make to down play Muslim rapes importantly are dealt with differently by the authorities in the UK; supposedly justified on cultural background. No child rape is to be accepted in Western culture as OK and is a punishable criminal offense. Culture should not be considered if the child is groomed for sex in Western society. Our laws apply in our Culture.

Dear Josephus,

We cannot even even begin to calculate the damage
these crimes have done to the victims in the UK.

However comparisons between countries are useless
without looking critically at motivation, circumstances,
context, or any other such considerations.

Of course some people are more interested in condemnation
than in explanation. Explanations seem tantamount to
sympathizing and excusing.

Foxy, you ALWAYS avoid calling a spade a spade.
No matter what the discussion is about you always lean over backwards
to avoid facing the truth about Labour, migrants, moslems etc etc etc.

Any comment against multiculturalism brings you out to defend the indefensible.
In our case it got stopped because the police were not intimidated by
political correctness as were the UK police.
The reason of course is lower concentration of moslems in the population.
Just wait for a few years and the polulation ratio will make you happier.

Fox,

What you failed to mention about that cherry-picked article you linked to was that it was drafted by the Labour member in the safe seat of Hackney North and Stoke Newington. See here,

http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/ms-diane-abbott/172

Readers would be well advised to read the telling readers' comments that slanted article sorely earned in reply. See below the article. Here is one off the top,

"It's the hypocritcal shamelessness of Ms Abbott's article that is so extraordinary. Anything, she believes, is preferable to acknowledging the truth.

The burden of her piece is that it's about class (i.e. somehow the guilty are white, and don't drive taxis for a living) and about gender (ignoring the fact that neither white men, nor most other immigrant males, are guilty of abusing children on an industrial scale).

Ms Abbott's mentality is part of the problem, rather than the solution."

Fox,
Your attitude too is part of the problem. Your cover-it-all-up spin does a very great disservice to the victims or to other migrants who do not bring such toxic values, traditions and political systems with them to be an everlasting blight on society.

Dear Bazz,

Thank You for your opinion.

Inevitably, all of us are guilty of some measure
of bias - the tendency, often unconscious, to
interpret facts according to one's own values,
education, and experience. And this becomes
particularly acute in issues whose subject
matter involve deep human and moral concerns.

However, I do try to make a deliberate effort
to be conscious of my own biases and
through vast efforts of research - I try to
present a variety of different perspectives on
the topics under discussion. I try to be
intellectually honest, and I make
a genuine attempt to relentlessly hunt down the
relevant facts and present them accordingly.

As Albert Einstein stated, "Any fool can know.
The point is to understand."

Of course one will always encounter opposition from
certain minds. That's part and parcel of forums
such as this one.

Jay,
Thanks for the articles on Sheperton. That news doesn't get this far north. I wonder why we still import refos from Afghanistan when they have a history of abusing little boys and girls. A while ago one tried to steal a little girl and the magistrate dismissed the case because of culture.

If you hear more let us know.

I think it is important to let our polys know about our views on these issues as one day they may just decide to abandon MC and get a practical migration policy with Aus interests in mind. It does require some extra effort to let them know but the squeaking door is the one that gets oiled, eventually.

Rotherham is almost unbelievable and it could happen here. Just think if that sheila Nixon was in charge of CSE cases.

Banjo
Foxy is not downplaying the issue.
You are using it, and the victims, to promote your hatred of multiculturalism.
You dont give a toss about the victims. Except in that you can use them to show how the evil muslims cant integrate.
Bigotry pure and simple.
Shame on you.

Mikk, before you can fix a problem you have the acknowledge the source
of the problem.
The cause is the attitude of moslem men to women and their racial
attitudes to non Arabs and non Moslems.

It really is as simple as that.

Mikk,
Racism isn't normally based on projection of any internalised anxieties or fears and it doesn't necessarily mean that racists themselves are bad people, there are good racists and bad ones, just like there are good and bad anti-racists.
Racists as a rule are more critical of institutions than of individuals or groups of people, even the posts on the scuzzier anti immigration Facebook groups boil down to "Why do they let these people into the country?"

Foxy>> We're told that the truth about child sex abuse in
Rotherham is that, at the highest level of the
local Establishment - nobody cared.

Ultimately this, more than "political correctness"
or race explains why the tragic victimisation and
abuse of these girls could have happened on such a
scale and continued for so long.<<

There may be something to that Foxy. Perhaps girls from a lower socio economic background are expendable. Would there have been a more rigorous response if the girls were from the upper class?....I would guess yes.

Looking at the British authorities and Jimmy Saville, you have to ask how he could spend a lifetime molesting the defenceless children while it was widely known in the upper circles of society. The punter did not know, in fact he was a local hero to the plebs.

Don't lets get diverted.
The authorities did not act because they were afraid of generating a
backlash from the Paki community and of being charged inside the
police force of racism and the council authorities that were English
were afraid of the same charge of racism and losing their political
positions.

The Pakis knowing of the authorities fears got the message and
operated without fear of retribution.

Face it, it is proof positive that multiculturalism has failed miserably !

I am now wondering if Pauline Hanson had it right all along ?

With the self-imposed and real censorship of Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act it is impossible for there to be any proper discussion of the unforeseen negative consequences of migration policy that has lost its way and has forgotten that the overarching goal is to enhance the living standards and quality of life of Australians, which must include protection of the democratic tradition, free speech, Australian law, cultural traditions and lifestyle.

It is interesting that there have been few reports and even less discussion in the Australian media of the child sex abuses and trafficking in Rotherham. The political correctness that shielded the Rotherham offenders for years and resulted in so many victims is just as systemic and strong in Australia.

The way ahead, with thanks to The Institute of Public Affairs,

<Today the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights released a report stating that the Racial Discrimination Amendment Bill 2014 does “not raise human rights concerns"…

The Racial Discrimination Amendment Bill 2014 was introduced by Family First Senator Bob Day on 25 September last year. The bill seeks to remove the words “offend” and “insult” from section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975, which currently makes it an offence to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate a person on the basis of their race, colour, or national or ethnic origin.”

“It is significant that the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights has made this decision in light of the fact that it is required to balance freedom of speech against discrimination law,” says Mr Breheny.

“This clears the path for the Abbott government to support reform of section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.”>

Dear SOG,

Thanks for your comments.

Yes, what's happened in the UK in Rotherham and
throughout - is certainly a problem that has been
ongoing for decades. It always helps to look critically
at motivation, circumstances, context, and any
other considerations. The following link may be of
interest:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/leading-article/9299602/rotten-borough/

Foxy, that article demonstrates my point.
Not ONCE did it mention that the whole sorry mess was organised by
one racial group.
Not sure what the ratio of Pakis/English is for the area but I would
bet it has passed the 25% figure that results in moslems ignoring the
the law of the country of residence.

It is just the way it is. We can expect the same here.

Foxy,
Oh yeah, your link mentioned the Rochdale scandal, I'd forgotten about that:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526896/Revealed-Catalogue-police-failures-let-Rochdale-sex-grooming-gangs-flourish-claims-damning-police-report.html

From the comments section of your Spectator link:

"Burnley, Blackburn, Birmingham, Bolton, Bury, Bradford and Leeds have issues with systematic child abuse networks perpetuated by Pakistani Muslims.
The press or police could target and find all those involved within one month by targeting certain well known take aways in deprived areas. They won't though because it's been going on for over 15 years."

I can only repeat my earlier observation that the "grooming" of indigenous British girls by Pakistani men wasn't covered up, it was out in the open, complaints were made but the Police and social services refused to act. There's really no comparison between these "grooming" cases and other child sex cases because what's obvious about people like Jonathon King, Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter and others is that they operated alone for the most part and were highly secretive and manipulative individuals and it's apparent that not even their closest friends and associates knew anything about their offending. The Pakistani gangs were operating openly, picking girls up from school, holding orgies with dozens of participants, running them allover northern England in their mini-cabs, using their business premises for the purposes of prostitution etc

Foxy,
Thanks for that link, as with your previous link the comments from readers was most enlightening.

We, in Aus, should learn from Rotherham about the massive downside of multiculturalism and the folly of importing masses of people with alien cultures. Muslims have little respect for females and none what so ever for non muslim females, which is the basic cause of the rape problem. In Rotherham, Europe or here in 2000, it is the same.

I strongly doubt if the Cameron government in the UK has enough guts to take positive action that will stop this rot, and I doubt the Aus government will take heed and change migration policy.

What is needed is another Margerat Thatcher.

Gentlemen,

Tha authorities involved have a great deal to answer for.
These were children and they should have stepped in.
It should habe been stopped and prevented.
Failures by those charged with protecting children
happened. Those are the facts - no matter what excuses
are given for their behaviour - and this happened
despite reports, despite council, social workers,police,
doctors all knowing what was going on.
And that is inexcusable!

what we really learn is that despite all the rhetoric the ones that make the most noise about child abuse are the ones being paid to investigate it. We all live largely by self interest. That's why you see self righteous uni students banging on about having to pay a few dollars more for their degrees or crying over paying $7 to see a doctor despite smoking two packs of cigarettes a week. Its not until its close to home that true action is taken. We largely turn a blind eye in the Indigeneous communities because its to messy and the guilt industry scream racism at any sensible action. We know that porn feeds the abusers but want to protect our 'right'to partake of the filth despite the obvious consequences.

We have no hope of learning anything from Rotherham as many of the progressives like Steelie and others are naive or dishonest enough to claim all belief and ideologies are the same except for of course their own.

Fox,

You are spinning very hard to divert attention and blame the public servants who would have seen many cases where others before them were not supported by the Labour politicians and their political appointees in senior positions of trust. Because reporting up the line did not work and could rebound on the public servant's job security, they cowed and watched as the occasional whistleblower was trashed instead.

There were complaints and there were reports. Why the Labour politicians didn't act is because they were beneficiaries of the corruption too. They knew that the ethnic population would vote against them next election. The ethnic tail can easily swing the large Party dog, especially where politicians are involved and are sworn to support policies that are not working and the Party requires that the rug be pulled over the mess.

Creeps of politicians and their political appointees and sycophants protected it, covered up and saw to the squashing of whistleblowers and derailing of change. The prevailing political correctness certainly helped them and the cruel offenders do their evil and without penalty.

Fox, if you or any other apologist thinks that you can spread the blame and muddy the waters you are wasting your time. Because there is massive, incontrovertible evidence that a toxic political system was imported along with toxic cultural values and traditions, and that is the root cause of the dreadful child sex trade that has been reported.

The truth about child sex abuse in Rotherham is that
at the highest level of the local establishment nobody
cared.

Ultimately this more than "political correctness"
or race explains why the tragic victimisation and abuse
of these girls could have happened on such a scale and
continued for so long.

It was a mix of class and misogyny - a few of the girls
were from middle-class homes, but the majority were
working class girls - many of them in care.

It is not just their abusers who thought they were worthless.
So did the police, councillors, and local "worthies"
who dismissed these girls as "rubbish" not worth
bothering about.

This is not something I dreamed up. I am quoting from
the information supplied by the Uk - Spectator, that I cited
earlier, and other reputable sources, also cited earlier.
What people choose to believe - is up to them. I am merely
giving what I have found on the web. As Banjo stated
earlier - there are heaps of sources on the subject - all
one has to to is Google them including the report done
by Dr Alexis Jay.

Cheers.

Fox,

There is massive, incontrovertible evidence that a toxic political system was imported along with toxic cultural values and traditions, and that is the root cause of the dreadful child sex trade that has been reported.

There is ample evidence form politicians themselves, that creeps of politicians and their political appointees, sycophants and multicultural apologists protected it, covered up and saw to the squashing of whistleblowers and derailing of change. The prevailing political correctness certainly helped the cruel offenders do their evil and without investigation and penalty.

You would do well not to label and put down the school children and youth victims to suit your own political idealism.

There is indeed ample evidence - as both Banjo
and I have continually pointed out in this
discussion.

I would appreciate not being
lectured on my so called "political idealism,"
that has nothing to do with these issues
especially by someone who needs to look to
their own narrow political agenda before preaching
to others.

We all tend to see the world from a viewpoint of
subjectivity. Each of us is inclined to perceive
facts selectively and to interpret them
accordingly.

I have nothing further to add to this subject

Fox,

Narrow? Free speech, obtaining value for (my) taxpayers' money and accountability are my main interests. PC is an impediment to all of those and more.

I will leave it to others to be useful idiots.

Of course the "Me" mentality that's
displayed in the previous post is narrow
and unfortunately part of some people's (so yesterday)-
culture. As is the reference to "obtaining
value for "My" taxes" et cetera and -
referring to those whose views differ to one's own as
"useful idiots."

No more needs to be said.

cont'd ...

The old PC argument has long lost its value -
but wait for it - we'll probably be hearing it's
all "Labor's fault" next, or about more wild allegations of
"sledging," "mendacious propoganda," and even some
attempts of faux concern for the victims.

So much for the tolerance of
"free speech" (unless its his own - of course), or the
opinions of others.

All very predictable and consistent from this resident
poster. Whose posting history speaks volumes

As Albert Einstein once stated -
(loose translation) - " Different opinions have always
encountered violent opposition and personal attacks
from mediocre minds."

Fox,

You couldn't spin your way out and that is what you do instead.

General Comment
It is obvious to all that some migrants are poor choices and in the UK, government has let a trusting public down. The responsibility for what went wrong at Rotherham does not stop with local government and the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government.

The accountability ultimately rests with the Minister for Security and Immigration for the failure to effectively screen for suitable migrants. If some cultures present high risks, why are they being given preference ahead of other more suitable prospects?

Otherwise it is trying to shut the gate after the horse has bolted.

What I remember of the Bil Al gang from Lakemba, the way they started
with finding girls then inviting their mates over to join in has all
the patten needed to build to the Rotherham level of activity.
I'll bet that was how Rotherham got started.

It looks very likely the Bil Al gang got caught because some of the
girls went to police much earlier than in Rotherham.

Another factor is the lower number of moslems in Sydney than Rotherham.
So the PC fear was not as instilled. Also the police in the area were
really pd off with them. It might have been after Lakemba police
station was shot up, I can't remember.

otb,

http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/politics.htm

Bazz,

The national and local government policies and operating practices of (UK) Labour created the environment, and the Pakistan Kashmiri migrants to offend.

It took both:

- the migrants importing a toxic political system and culture from Pakistan. As if any informed immigration or foreign affairs bureaucrat wouldn't have known about the risks the feckless Labour government was taking in its immigration policies and administration. Equally, preferring (say) Muslim Somali migrants over migrants from countries with similar democratic traditions and values to the UK would carry the same high risks;

and

- the highly permissive, slanted, socio-political environment of multiculturalism (again thanks to Labour);

for the offenders to be able to organise themselves and commit the crimes with impunity and for so long.

Bazz,

It is certain that similar crimes are being committed in Australia and the offending covers the full spectrum of anti-social behaviour, for instance FGM committed against adolescents, that is regarded as normal and usual in the migrant's home environment.

Police commissioners and journalists - since muzzled by the political correctness and Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act introduced by leftist 'Progressives' for that purpose - have previously remarked on migrants from certain countries importing their traditions of resolving even minor quarrels with serious violence, guns and knives. That is only one aspect of the culture, traditions and corrupt political system some bring with them.

One should not forget too that the judiciary is prone to diminishing the offence and reducing sentences where the offender's lawyer plays the multicultural card. That does not only affect migrants and their children who offend, there has been public outrage too where indigenous rape offenders (for instance), even where operating in gangs, have had their sentences greatly reduced by judges. Indigenous women and children do not enjoy the same benefits and protection of Australian law as everyone else. Why not?

The Australian public may have learned from Rotherham, but the leftist 'Progressives' certainly haven't learned a jot. No way will the leftist 'Progressives' and Labor ever admit or apologise for the unforeseen negative consequences of their social experiments.

SteeleRedux replied to the question -
"Can this scandal happen in Australia?

"It happens daily in the Indigenous
Communities and as the overwhelming evidence tells us -
in our churches, our synagogues and probably in our
mosques..."

Our former Prime Minister Julia Gillard appointed
the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Sexual
Abuse. The Australian Institute of Family Studies
has done a great deal of research into child
sexual abuse and the risk factors
involved - including - understanding,
prevention, responses,Institutional abuse, facts and
figues, perpetrators, and so on.

The following link provides a great deal of information:

http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/carc
All you have to do is click onto the various subject
headings.

Here is an excerpt:

"Child abuse is not specific to certain population groups
or classes of people but occurs across all nationalities,
ages, and income levels. However it is well documented
that abuse is more likely to occur to younger children,
children from disadvantaged backgrounds, from families
whose parents suffer with mental health issues, substance
or alcohol abuse/addiction and from families where there is
a lack of access to services."

For more information on the subject contact the
Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual
abuse website -

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/

Or phone - 1800-099-340

See you on another discussion.

Fox,

That is a lot of words. However no-one disputes that child abuse, like child neglect, is possible in all cultures.

What IS the learning of the dreadful child trafficking in Rotherham, UK, is that the national and local government policies and operating practices of (UK) Labour created the environment, and the Pakistan Kashmiri migrants to offend.

It took both:

- the migrants importing a toxic political system and culture from Pakistan. As if any informed immigration or foreign affairs bureaucrat wouldn't have known about the risks the feckless Labour government was taking in its immigration policies and administration. Equally, preferring (say) Muslim Somali migrants over migrants from countries with similar democratic traditions and values to the UK would carry the same high risks;

and

- the highly permissive, slanted, socio-political environment of multiculturalism (again thanks to Labour);

for the offenders to be able to organise themselves and commit the crimes with impunity and for so long.

To repeat the rather obvious, the Australian public may have learned from Rotherham, but the leftist 'Progressives' certainly haven't learned a jot. No way will the leftist 'Progressives' and Labor ever admit or apologise for the unforeseen negative consequences of their social experiments.

Sarfraz Manzoor writing in The New York Times
16/09/2014 - tells us that:

"The grim fact of child sex abuse is that it is
not limited to any country, community, or creed.
Witness the cases of leading white TV stars who have
been convicted of the crime in Britain (and elsewhere)
and the experience of the Catholic Church (and others)
in Ireland, America, (Australia et al)."

"Most Pakistani men in Rotherham or elsewhere do not turn
to criminality or become child abusers. But Rotherham's
abusers found that they belonged to a community few
wished to challenge."

"What may seem like a story about race and religion is as
much one about power, class, and gender. The Pakistanis
who raped and pimped and got away with it - because
they targeted a community even more marginal
and vulnerable than theirs - a community with little voice
and less muscle - white working-class girls (and girls
in care)."

"In the rush to denounce multiculturalism it would be wise
to consider not only what gave the perpetrators the
license to abuse but also to reflect on what led to the
victims being so under-valued that their cries were ignored."

Fox,

Blaming the victims themselves for the horrific sex trafficking has to be a new low.

Presumably you wouldn't blame a victim of rape for what she was wearing, for her social status or whatever. You would of course be scandalised if anyone did that and she would be even more of a victim if she was even more vulnerable at the time for some reason. You wouldn't blame her if a cop wasn't there to stop the offender, or if the police were ineffective. You would be screaming stridently and rightly so for action.

You are scraping the bottom of the barrel blaming those wee children, many in school uniforms taken in cabs from outside their schools to be introduced to hard drugs, threatened with guns and so on by those truly horrid, disgusting and predatory Kashmiri Pakistani sex gangs.

Further, it was the policies, management and political correctness of the extreme multiculturalism the leftist Progressive elite (that infest Labour) have pushed in the UK, Australia and elsewhere that introduced and established that toxic political system, culture and traditions into the UK and protected the noxious offenders.

otb,

Try re-reading my posts - you will then find out
that it isn't me that's saying anything.
And you might also make a note of
what is actually being said - not what you
think is being said.

Why do you persist in making sweeping generalisations
concerning the so called "progressives"
and/or - the "leftists" in every one of your discussions.
Labelling people is so yesterday.
You're beginning to sound like a broken record.
Surely you can do better that that.
Or can you?

I wonder.

Why not surprise us all and say something intelligent -
just once.

Otherwise I'll have to give your future posts
a miss. If you don't say something new.
Oh and try laying off the personal attacks.
They're simply a sign of a weak debater.

Fox,

BTT

As was said earlier, it is obvious to all that some migrants are poor choices and in the UK, government has let a trusting public down. The responsibility for what went wrong at Rotherham does not stop with local government and the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government.

The accountability ultimately rests with the Minister for Security and Immigration for the failure to effectively screen for suitable migrants. If some cultures present high risks, why are they being given preference ahead of other more suitable prospects?

This should be of interest to posters here

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf

otb,

Sarfraz Manzoor writing in The New York Times
summed it up rather well regarding Rotherham.

"What may seem like a story about race and
religion is as much one about power, class, and
gender. The Pakistanis who raped and pimped
and got away with it was because they targeted
a community even more marginal and vulnerable
than theirs - a community with little voice and
even less muscle - white working-class girls
(and girls in care)."

She was not blaming the victims - but the class system
that exists in the UK.

"In the rush to denounce multiculturalism it would
be wise to consider not only what gave the
perpetrators the license to abuse - but also to
reflect on what led to the victims being su under-valued
that their cries were ignored."

Fox,

She? Your informant is a man of Pakistani birth who is doing what you yourself are doing, spinning 'victimhood' to excuse the foul scum who trafficked, drugged, threatened and beat up a known 1,400 girls of school age, but the actual number is known to be well in excess of that.

It is truly disgusting that you would side with him in comparing those relentless, pitiless criminals with their child victims. Each and every one of their victims is a real person who has been grievously harmed. Some gave birth and all will live with the memory forever. Those made addicted to hard drugs have very poor futures.

There is NO excuse and NO rationalisation of the dreadful crimes they committed, and other Muslim men committed against white girls elsewhere in the UK, in Oxford, Rochdale, Darby and Telford to cite some others that you and your informant are obviously in denial about as well.

"The Oxford sex gang was a group of seven men who preyed extensively on pre-teen and under-age teenage girls in Oxford, England, from 2006 before their belated arrest and prosecution. In May 2013, they were convicted of sexual offences including rape, conspiracy to commit rape, arranging or facilitating child prostitution, trafficking for sexual exploitation, and procuring a miscarriage. The victims were "subjected to sexual violence marked out by its sadism: sexual assaults designed to draw blood, multiple rapes, [and] physical attacks in which [they were] choked". As in the similar Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby and Telford prosecutions, the majority of gang members were of Muslim backgrounds, and the girls were white. This led to renewed national discussion of whether the crimes were racially motivated and whether the early failure to investigate them was linked to the authorities' fear of being accused of racism."
[Wikipedia]

It is interesting that your 'Progressive' values put your culturally-cringing leftist aims of endless diversification and multiculturalism ahead of the shocking rape of minors. -Interesting order of priorities, the first being to ignore and reject the negative outcomes of their social experimentation. That explains why leftist 'Progressives' abhor freedom of speech.

otb,

I shall once again repeat the facts for your
benefit - perhaps this time they just may sink in.

Nobody is spinning victimhood to excuse anybody
else. That is absolute nonsense - But it's your mantra.
And yes, it is disgusting that you persist with
that inference - especially directed at myself.

Cut the nonsense about "freedom of speech,"
and "Progressives" et al - it is an inappropriate
way to argue. For example -
I don't call you a "retarded regressive," with
a comprehension disability - or a goose-stepping
right-wing nutter, whose concepts are too vague
and sweeping in their scope. I don't say that
your're prone psychologically to see the world in
very rigid and stereotypical terms or that you reject
any bit of thinking that differs from your own (hence
your consistent shrills about "freedom of speech" a
concept that you don't really understand). No I wouldn't
dream of saying anything like that to you. I was brought
up to be polite.

Numerous studies have been done on the Rotherham scandal.
And as Prof. Alexis Jay has stated - the truth about
child sex abuse in Rotherham is that, at the highest
level of the local establishment nobody cared. Ultimately
this, more than either "political correctness" or race, or
religion,
explains why the tragic victimisation and abuse of these
girls could have happened on such a scale and continued
for so long.

It was a toxic mix of class and misogyny. A few of the girls
were from middle-class homes, but the majority were working-class
girls, many of them in care.

It is not just their abusers who thought they were worthless.
So did the police, councillors, social workers, psychiatrists,
doctors, and local "worthies" who dismissed these girls as
"rubbish" not worth bothering about.

It is well documented that child sexual abuse is more
likely to occur to younger children, children from
disadvantaged backgrounds, from families whose parents
(if they have any) suffer from mental health issues,
substance or alcohol abuse/addiction and from families
where there is a lack of access to services.

cont'd ...

Failures by those charged with protecting
children despite reports, despite council,
social workers and police knowing what was going
on. The authorities involved have a great deal
to answer for. These were children and they
should have stepped in. It should have been
stopped and prevented. It wasn't. All because
these poor girls were regarded as "rubbish,"
and "worthless." That is a toxic mix of
class and misogyny.

These girls came from a community that was even more
marginal and vulnerable. With little voice and less
muscle.

Therefore as stated previously - in the rush to
denounce multiculturalism it would be wise to consider
not only what gave the perpetrators the license to
abuse, but also to relfect on what led to the poor
victims being so under-valued that their cries were
ignored.

I have nothing further to add on this subject.

Fox,

You persist in blaming the victims for what you assume to be the low social status.

You excuse the offenders because:

- firstly, the schoolchildren were 'destined' as you see it to be victims (?!); and

- secondly because no-one intervened to stop those Pakistani men from offending, or continuing to offend (since they cannot be apprehended unless they committed an offence.

No-one made those Kashmiri Pakistani men commit those horrific crimes.

There is solid evidence that they imported a toxic, corrupt political system, toxic and truly disgusting attitudes to women especially non-Muslims and particularly the white girls they targeted repeatedly, and they were skilled in concealing their crimes, largely through threats against the victims and their families.

Contrary to what you say, NO-ONE gave the offenders 'the license to
abuse'. That is absolute rot, there are laws concerning minors, rape, drugs, making threats and so on. Yet you excuse them and blame the school children.

otb,

I do not excuse the Pakistani men, neither
do the experts that I am quoting. That is simply
another attempt from you to distort - thereby
"justifying" your own views.

The Pakistani men who raped and pimped and got
away with it were able to do so because they
targeted a community that was marginal and
vulnerable with little voice and less muscle.
And nobody cared - which was clearly shown
by the failures of those charged with
protecting children. And this happened despite
reports, despite council, social workers,
and police knowing what was going on.

This doesn't excuse the men but neither does it
excuse the authorities involved who now have a great
deal to answer for. Afterall we're talking about
children here and the authorities should have
stepped in. It should have been stopped and prevented
and it wasn't. And that is inexcusable. And whichever
way you may chose to twist things - the fact remains
it should have been stopped and prevented and it
wasn't.

But you go right ahead and blame whoever your little
heart desires.
I really can't be bothered having to continue
explaining my views to you. Nor should I have to.
Afterall this is supposed to be an opinion forum -
and we are all entitled to our views without
having to put up with - our opinions being
distorted or our views ridiculed.

That is troll-like behaviour and it should stop.

cont'd ...

Kindly show me where exactly do I blame the children
for what happened to them?

Fox,

NO-ONE gave the offenders 'the license to abuse'. That is absolute rot, there are laws concerning minors, rape, drugs, making threats and so on.

Those Pakistani men from the Kashmire committed the crimes because of THEIR own imported toxic attitude to whites and white females in particular. They took advantage of the schoolchildren who were near and available, and because they were gutless filth.

You are not going to get away with trying to diminish the culpability of the scum, least-ways by pretending that no-one cared about the children. That is simply not true. The children were local targets of convenience.

What made it easier for the cowardly scum was the multicultural policies, management and political correctness of the Labour Party. The offenders were imported under Labour's watch and Labour's policies. The seats are blue ribbon Labour seats and Labour members and functionaries themselves have admitted that they were swayed by ethnic leaders and feared a loss of the ethnic vote if action was taken.

The unforseen negative consequences of Labour's multiculturalism,

http://tinyurl.com/Labourmulticult

Labour's immigration policies and slack screening imported the problem and Labour's dependence on multiculturalism for votes facilitated the growing problem. A problem that many believe is entrenched, systemic and a permanent dark stain on UK culture.

Why would any national government deliberately allocate first preference to migrants whose political system, values and traditions are completely at odds with those of the host country the UK? -Migrants who dislike, challenge, disrupt and simply refuse to comply with the most fundamental laws that protect citizens?

Link didn't work, re-posted,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2941961/Fury-council-boss-refuses-say-sorry-child-abuse-victims-Deputy-leader-shouts-absolutely-not-asked-wants-apologise.html

otb,

Your claim that these men were not given the
licence to abuse does not hold up. They were
precisely given that licence by the failure of all those
who were charged with protecting these children
who did nothing despite all the reports, despite knowing
what was going on. Despite council, social workers,
doctors, psychiatrists, and police all knowing what was
going on.

The authorities involved have
a great deal to answer for - these were children and
they should have stepped in. The abuse should have
been stopped and prevented. It wasn't. It continued
because it was allowed to continue - and that
no matter how you may try to whitewash it, or whatever
litany of excuses you may come up with - the
facts remain that the tragic
victimisation and abuse of these girls happened on
such a scale and was allowed to continue for so
long - thanks to the failure of those in charge
to apply the laws and protect these children.

I am not making excuses for these Pakistani men -
on the contrary - but you stop making excuses
for the authorities involved, whose job it was
to protect these children and they failed miserably.
And damn straight - their inaction gave the perpetrators
the license to abuse.

Fox,

Then the UK (and Australian) government needs to have effective policies and be very diligent to ensure that prospective migrants who cannot control themselves and obey laws without being constantly monitored do not enter the country, even for a short visit.

Where their background, political system, culture, values and traditions encourage, even demand, that they rape white girls why in God's name are they being allowed in and being granted citizenship? That was the Labour government acting reckless with the welfare and safety of citizens, in this case the most vulnerable, schoolchildren.

It is the very point that I am making, that the Party government of Labour -rather obviously Labour governs for the party's leftist 'Progressive' idealism and not for the good of the general public- was and is acting reprehensibly by putting thousands of school children at the very real risk, certainty, of sex trafficking, rape and other serious abuses, including being introduced to hard drugs.

The elephant in the room is the question, "Is multiculturalism bad for women?". The Rotherham experience says, "Yes, most likely" and "Yes, absolutely, where the leftist 'Progressive' elite has hold of the reins of government. The UK public is not going to be dissuaded from that realisation by sophistry that defends Labour's multiculturalism and excuses the fiends who took advantage of those children and are still likely to do so, such is the corruption they have brought to the UK.

otb,

The overwhelming evidence tells us that child sexual abuse
happens daily in institutions, in our churches, our
synagogues, our schools, and in our Inigenous Communities,
in families, and elsewhere.

The grim fact of child sexual abuse is that it is not
limited to any country, community, or creed.
This has already been stated to you earlier. Witness the
cases of leading white TV stars who have been convicted of
the crime in Britain, and the experience of the churches,
institutions, and in families,
not only in the UK, Ireland America and Australia, but elsewhere
as well.
Paedophiles, incest, prostitution, exists - and is not limited
to any particular culture.Thinking in very rigid and
stereotypical terms will not solve the problem.

Of course laws
should be put in place, and should be strictly enforced
to protect children.
Thorough checks by the police and the immigration departments
as you rightly point out -
should be carried out on all immigrants. And any reports of
misconduct - investigated - be they by individuals, paedophile
gangs, institutions, famous celebrities, family members, or
anyone else.

The fact remains that most Pakistani men - either in
Rotherham or elsewhere do not turn to criminality or
become child abusers. However as the experts have told us
Rotherham's abusers found that they belonged to a
community few wished to challenge - because of the toxic mix
of class and misogyny. They got away with it because they
targeted a community even more marginal (and vulnerable
than theirs) a community with little voice and less muscle -
white-working class girls. That even the authorities
considered as "rubbish."

Again, I shall keep on repeating that in the rush to denounce
multiculturalism - it would be wise to consider not only
what gave the perpetrators the license to abuse - but also
for everyone to reflect on what led to the victims
being so under-valued that the authorities ignored their
cries.

I see no point in continuing this discussion with you
any further.

You are entitled to your opinion.

As I am to mine.

Fox,

Those Pakistanis from the Kashmir behaved in complete accord with their background, political system, culture, values and traditions that encourage, even demand, that they rape infidel white girls.

So why are they being allowed in and being granted citizenship? Why give them preference over more suitable migrants?

That is the inevitable negative consequence of immigration policy that doesn't discriminate between the wheat and the chaff. That is what happens where an educated elite of self-styled leftist 'Progressives' hijack Labour and impose their view of what society should be like. Honestly now, where is the evidence of any competent risk analysis being conducted on that immigration policy, and on the endless diversity-the-west-has-to-have -that you trenchantly support?

The ample evidence and learning from Rotherham and other centres is that the leftist 'Progressives' have a monkey's grip on Labour and the idealism of international socialism rules. Labour governments have been very casual, reckless, where the welfare and safety of citizens are concerned - in this case affecting the most vulnerable members of society, the schoolchildren.

Will Australia learn from Rotherham? The public is generally aware, even though the media and particularly the ABC have shown a reluctance to discuss the thorny implications of Rotherham for Australia. The leftist 'Progressives' are spinning hard to muddy the waters and spread the blame to take attention away from the failures of multiculturalism and known deficiencies including fraud in immigration administration.

otb,

You are making a great deal of assumptions about those
Pakistani criminals and what they were influenced by
in their criminality. Why do you assume that only
"foreign" cultures are prone to these sort of perversions
when the evidence is overwhelming that child sexual abuse
is not limited to any culture, community, or creed. (and
we have witnessed the cases of paedophiles,and leading white
TV stars - who've been convicted of the crime in Britain
and elsewhere). As far as the Pakistani men are concerned -
they didn't arrive on the boat (or plane) yesterday.
Most of them were born and grew up in the UK and
their surroundings, culture, values and
environment in the UK would surely have had its impact on them -
particularly the class system and values towards working-class
white girls that we know existed in the UK and that experts
explained why the authorities ignored their cries for help.

Blaming just one aspect - such as "foreign culture," is
simplistic and extremely narrow.

Your arguments are not logical. Also, what excuses then
do the other
sexual abusers have if foreign culture is the dominant
force in the activities of sexual abusers as you claim.
Sexual abuse in the UK is not just done by Pakistani men.
It encompasses a wide variety of abusers.

No. I'm sorry - I don't buy it.
You obviously feel very strongly about
this. However, logic dictates to me - that there's more to
it than what you tend to see.

Fox,

All of the twists and turn of your spin cannot alter the facts.

Those Pakistanis from the Kashmir behaved in complete accord with their background, political system, culture, values and traditions that encourage, even demand, that they rape infidel white girls.

So why are they being allowed in and being granted citizenship? Why give them preference over more suitable migrants?

The ample evidence and learning from Rotherham and other centres is that the leftist 'Progressives' have a monkey's grip on Labour and the idealism of international socialism rules. Labour governments have been very casual, reckless, where the welfare and safety of citizens are concerned - in this case affecting the most vulnerable members of society, the schoolchildren.

Sadly, the leftist 'Progressives' have a monkey's grip on Labor in Australia too. Australia is already witnessing the negative consequences of their idealism and social experimentation.

otb,

You see the
world in very rigid and stereotyped terms.
Your concepts are far too vague and sweeping
in their scope for me.

I'll leave you to it and wish you all the best.

It is not possible to have a sensible conversation with anyone who believes, or even pretends to believe, mindless and inflammatory garbage like this, onthebeach:

>>Those Pakistanis from the Kashmir behaved in complete accord with their background, political system, culture, values and traditions that encourage, even demand, that they rape infidel white girls.<<

You clearly enjoy wallowing in your fear and loathing. But be careful. Immersing yourself in such corrosive negativity will eventually eat you up completely. And you will never be happy, because the demons you believe you are fighting are in fact all on the inside.

[This is a public service broadcast on behalf of humans]

Two peas in a pod and both spinning for multiculturalism, right or wrong, but definitely wrong in Rotherham and other UK places where Pakistani men have sexually abused and trafficked white girls.

Finally, the Labour leadership confirms what I have been saying all along,

<Rotherham abuse scandal: Ed Miliband 'deeply sorry'

Ed Miliband said the Labour Party had to "learn the lessons" from Rotherham

Labour leader Ed Miliband has said his party "let people down in Rotherham" over the child sexual abuse scandal.

Speaking on the BBC's Sunday Politics programme in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, Mr Miliband [Leader of Labour and Leader of the Opposition] said he was "deeply sorry" for what had happened.

A report published in August on child sexual exploitation in the town found at least 1,400 children were abused in Rotherham from 1997-2013.

Labour were in charge of the council throughout the period.

The report by Professor Alexis Jay found children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated, mainly by men of Pakistani heritage.

Earlier this month, a report by Louise Casey, the director-general for troubled families, said the authority was still "in denial" about the child abuse scandal and was "not fit for purpose".

In response, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles appointed five government commissioners to run the council and imposed early elections in 2016.

'Deeply troubling'
The council leader Paul Lakin and the entire cabinet have resigned.

Mr Miliband said it was important for the Labour Party to "learn the lessons" from Rotherham.

"The Casey report was deeply troubling and indeed the leadership and the cabinet is gone - there is going to be new leadership, and that is going to be the right thing to do," he said.

"I am deeply sorry for what happened in Rotherham and we are determined to have a fresh start, a fresh start in terms of the people of Rotherham most of all.

"The Labour Party did let people down in Rotherham, absolutely.">
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31479039

I really don't think so, onthebeach.

>>Finally, the Labour leadership confirms what I have been saying all along<<

Where is the part that confirms what you have been saying all along, viz.:

>>Those Pakistanis from the Kashmir behaved in complete accord with their background, political system, culture, values and traditions that encourage, even demand, that they rape infidel white girls.<<

You are on your own with that one, I'm afraid.

And try to believe me, just a little, that fear and loathing on the scale you are displaying here is utterly corrosive. You will make yourself an unremittingly bitter person, without even anyone to talk to except yourself.

Just trying to help a fellow human being avoid a sad, lonely old age.