otb,

Your claim that these men were not given the
licence to abuse does not hold up. They were
precisely given that licence by the failure of all those
who were charged with protecting these children
who did nothing despite all the reports, despite knowing
what was going on. Despite council, social workers,
doctors, psychiatrists, and police all knowing what was
going on.

The authorities involved have
a great deal to answer for - these were children and
they should have stepped in. The abuse should have
been stopped and prevented. It wasn't. It continued
because it was allowed to continue - and that
no matter how you may try to whitewash it, or whatever
litany of excuses you may come up with - the
facts remain that the tragic
victimisation and abuse of these girls happened on
such a scale and was allowed to continue for so
long - thanks to the failure of those in charge
to apply the laws and protect these children.

I am not making excuses for these Pakistani men -
on the contrary - but you stop making excuses
for the authorities involved, whose job it was
to protect these children and they failed miserably.
And damn straight - their inaction gave the perpetrators
the license to abuse.

Fox,

Then the UK (and Australian) government needs to have effective policies and be very diligent to ensure that prospective migrants who cannot control themselves and obey laws without being constantly monitored do not enter the country, even for a short visit.

Where their background, political system, culture, values and traditions encourage, even demand, that they rape white girls why in God's name are they being allowed in and being granted citizenship? That was the Labour government acting reckless with the welfare and safety of citizens, in this case the most vulnerable, schoolchildren.

It is the very point that I am making, that the Party government of Labour -rather obviously Labour governs for the party's leftist 'Progressive' idealism and not for the good of the general public- was and is acting reprehensibly by putting thousands of school children at the very real risk, certainty, of sex trafficking, rape and other serious abuses, including being introduced to hard drugs.

The elephant in the room is the question, "Is multiculturalism bad for women?". The Rotherham experience says, "Yes, most likely" and "Yes, absolutely, where the leftist 'Progressive' elite has hold of the reins of government. The UK public is not going to be dissuaded from that realisation by sophistry that defends Labour's multiculturalism and excuses the fiends who took advantage of those children and are still likely to do so, such is the corruption they have brought to the UK.

otb,

The overwhelming evidence tells us that child sexual abuse
happens daily in institutions, in our churches, our
synagogues, our schools, and in our Inigenous Communities,
in families, and elsewhere.

The grim fact of child sexual abuse is that it is not
limited to any country, community, or creed.
This has already been stated to you earlier. Witness the
cases of leading white TV stars who have been convicted of
the crime in Britain, and the experience of the churches,
institutions, and in families,
not only in the UK, Ireland America and Australia, but elsewhere
as well.
Paedophiles, incest, prostitution, exists - and is not limited
to any particular culture.Thinking in very rigid and
stereotypical terms will not solve the problem.

Of course laws
should be put in place, and should be strictly enforced
to protect children.
Thorough checks by the police and the immigration departments
as you rightly point out -
should be carried out on all immigrants. And any reports of
misconduct - investigated - be they by individuals, paedophile
gangs, institutions, famous celebrities, family members, or
anyone else.

The fact remains that most Pakistani men - either in
Rotherham or elsewhere do not turn to criminality or
become child abusers. However as the experts have told us
Rotherham's abusers found that they belonged to a
community few wished to challenge - because of the toxic mix
of class and misogyny. They got away with it because they
targeted a community even more marginal (and vulnerable
than theirs) a community with little voice and less muscle -
white-working class girls. That even the authorities
considered as "rubbish."

Again, I shall keep on repeating that in the rush to denounce
multiculturalism - it would be wise to consider not only
what gave the perpetrators the license to abuse - but also
for everyone to reflect on what led to the victims
being so under-valued that the authorities ignored their
cries.

I see no point in continuing this discussion with you
any further.

You are entitled to your opinion.

As I am to mine.

Fox,

Those Pakistanis from the Kashmir behaved in complete accord with their background, political system, culture, values and traditions that encourage, even demand, that they rape infidel white girls.

So why are they being allowed in and being granted citizenship? Why give them preference over more suitable migrants?

That is the inevitable negative consequence of immigration policy that doesn't discriminate between the wheat and the chaff. That is what happens where an educated elite of self-styled leftist 'Progressives' hijack Labour and impose their view of what society should be like. Honestly now, where is the evidence of any competent risk analysis being conducted on that immigration policy, and on the endless diversity-the-west-has-to-have -that you trenchantly support?

The ample evidence and learning from Rotherham and other centres is that the leftist 'Progressives' have a monkey's grip on Labour and the idealism of international socialism rules. Labour governments have been very casual, reckless, where the welfare and safety of citizens are concerned - in this case affecting the most vulnerable members of society, the schoolchildren.

Will Australia learn from Rotherham? The public is generally aware, even though the media and particularly the ABC have shown a reluctance to discuss the thorny implications of Rotherham for Australia. The leftist 'Progressives' are spinning hard to muddy the waters and spread the blame to take attention away from the failures of multiculturalism and known deficiencies including fraud in immigration administration.

otb,

You are making a great deal of assumptions about those
Pakistani criminals and what they were influenced by
in their criminality. Why do you assume that only
"foreign" cultures are prone to these sort of perversions
when the evidence is overwhelming that child sexual abuse
is not limited to any culture, community, or creed. (and
we have witnessed the cases of paedophiles,and leading white
TV stars - who've been convicted of the crime in Britain
and elsewhere). As far as the Pakistani men are concerned -
they didn't arrive on the boat (or plane) yesterday.
Most of them were born and grew up in the UK and
their surroundings, culture, values and
environment in the UK would surely have had its impact on them -
particularly the class system and values towards working-class
white girls that we know existed in the UK and that experts
explained why the authorities ignored their cries for help.

Blaming just one aspect - such as "foreign culture," is
simplistic and extremely narrow.

Your arguments are not logical. Also, what excuses then
do the other
sexual abusers have if foreign culture is the dominant
force in the activities of sexual abusers as you claim.
Sexual abuse in the UK is not just done by Pakistani men.
It encompasses a wide variety of abusers.

No. I'm sorry - I don't buy it.
You obviously feel very strongly about
this. However, logic dictates to me - that there's more to
it than what you tend to see.

Fox,

All of the twists and turn of your spin cannot alter the facts.

Those Pakistanis from the Kashmir behaved in complete accord with their background, political system, culture, values and traditions that encourage, even demand, that they rape infidel white girls.

So why are they being allowed in and being granted citizenship? Why give them preference over more suitable migrants?

The ample evidence and learning from Rotherham and other centres is that the leftist 'Progressives' have a monkey's grip on Labour and the idealism of international socialism rules. Labour governments have been very casual, reckless, where the welfare and safety of citizens are concerned - in this case affecting the most vulnerable members of society, the schoolchildren.

Sadly, the leftist 'Progressives' have a monkey's grip on Labor in Australia too. Australia is already witnessing the negative consequences of their idealism and social experimentation.