Bazz,

The national and local government policies and operating practices of (UK) Labour created the environment, and the Pakistan Kashmiri migrants to offend.

It took both:

- the migrants importing a toxic political system and culture from Pakistan. As if any informed immigration or foreign affairs bureaucrat wouldn't have known about the risks the feckless Labour government was taking in its immigration policies and administration. Equally, preferring (say) Muslim Somali migrants over migrants from countries with similar democratic traditions and values to the UK would carry the same high risks;

and

- the highly permissive, slanted, socio-political environment of multiculturalism (again thanks to Labour);

for the offenders to be able to organise themselves and commit the crimes with impunity and for so long.

Bazz,

It is certain that similar crimes are being committed in Australia and the offending covers the full spectrum of anti-social behaviour, for instance FGM committed against adolescents, that is regarded as normal and usual in the migrant's home environment.

Police commissioners and journalists - since muzzled by the political correctness and Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act introduced by leftist 'Progressives' for that purpose - have previously remarked on migrants from certain countries importing their traditions of resolving even minor quarrels with serious violence, guns and knives. That is only one aspect of the culture, traditions and corrupt political system some bring with them.

One should not forget too that the judiciary is prone to diminishing the offence and reducing sentences where the offender's lawyer plays the multicultural card. That does not only affect migrants and their children who offend, there has been public outrage too where indigenous rape offenders (for instance), even where operating in gangs, have had their sentences greatly reduced by judges. Indigenous women and children do not enjoy the same benefits and protection of Australian law as everyone else. Why not?

The Australian public may have learned from Rotherham, but the leftist 'Progressives' certainly haven't learned a jot. No way will the leftist 'Progressives' and Labor ever admit or apologise for the unforeseen negative consequences of their social experiments.

SteeleRedux replied to the question -
"Can this scandal happen in Australia?

"It happens daily in the Indigenous
Communities and as the overwhelming evidence tells us -
in our churches, our synagogues and probably in our
mosques..."

Our former Prime Minister Julia Gillard appointed
the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Sexual
Abuse. The Australian Institute of Family Studies
has done a great deal of research into child
sexual abuse and the risk factors
involved - including - understanding,
prevention, responses,Institutional abuse, facts and
figues, perpetrators, and so on.

The following link provides a great deal of information:

http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/carc
All you have to do is click onto the various subject
headings.

Here is an excerpt:

"Child abuse is not specific to certain population groups
or classes of people but occurs across all nationalities,
ages, and income levels. However it is well documented
that abuse is more likely to occur to younger children,
children from disadvantaged backgrounds, from families
whose parents suffer with mental health issues, substance
or alcohol abuse/addiction and from families where there is
a lack of access to services."

For more information on the subject contact the
Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual
abuse website -

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/

Or phone - 1800-099-340

See you on another discussion.

Fox,

That is a lot of words. However no-one disputes that child abuse, like child neglect, is possible in all cultures.

What IS the learning of the dreadful child trafficking in Rotherham, UK, is that the national and local government policies and operating practices of (UK) Labour created the environment, and the Pakistan Kashmiri migrants to offend.

It took both:

- the migrants importing a toxic political system and culture from Pakistan. As if any informed immigration or foreign affairs bureaucrat wouldn't have known about the risks the feckless Labour government was taking in its immigration policies and administration. Equally, preferring (say) Muslim Somali migrants over migrants from countries with similar democratic traditions and values to the UK would carry the same high risks;

and

- the highly permissive, slanted, socio-political environment of multiculturalism (again thanks to Labour);

for the offenders to be able to organise themselves and commit the crimes with impunity and for so long.

To repeat the rather obvious, the Australian public may have learned from Rotherham, but the leftist 'Progressives' certainly haven't learned a jot. No way will the leftist 'Progressives' and Labor ever admit or apologise for the unforeseen negative consequences of their social experiments.

Sarfraz Manzoor writing in The New York Times
16/09/2014 - tells us that:

"The grim fact of child sex abuse is that it is
not limited to any country, community, or creed.
Witness the cases of leading white TV stars who have
been convicted of the crime in Britain (and elsewhere)
and the experience of the Catholic Church (and others)
in Ireland, America, (Australia et al)."

"Most Pakistani men in Rotherham or elsewhere do not turn
to criminality or become child abusers. But Rotherham's
abusers found that they belonged to a community few
wished to challenge."

"What may seem like a story about race and religion is as
much one about power, class, and gender. The Pakistanis
who raped and pimped and got away with it - because
they targeted a community even more marginal
and vulnerable than theirs - a community with little voice
and less muscle - white working-class girls (and girls
in care)."

"In the rush to denounce multiculturalism it would be wise
to consider not only what gave the perpetrators the
license to abuse but also to reflect on what led to the
victims being so under-valued that their cries were ignored."

Fox,

Blaming the victims themselves for the horrific sex trafficking has to be a new low.

Presumably you wouldn't blame a victim of rape for what she was wearing, for her social status or whatever. You would of course be scandalised if anyone did that and she would be even more of a victim if she was even more vulnerable at the time for some reason. You wouldn't blame her if a cop wasn't there to stop the offender, or if the police were ineffective. You would be screaming stridently and rightly so for action.

You are scraping the bottom of the barrel blaming those wee children, many in school uniforms taken in cabs from outside their schools to be introduced to hard drugs, threatened with guns and so on by those truly horrid, disgusting and predatory Kashmiri Pakistani sex gangs.

Further, it was the policies, management and political correctness of the extreme multiculturalism the leftist Progressive elite (that infest Labour) have pushed in the UK, Australia and elsewhere that introduced and established that toxic political system, culture and traditions into the UK and protected the noxious offenders.

otb,

Try re-reading my posts - you will then find out
that it isn't me that's saying anything.
And you might also make a note of
what is actually being said - not what you
think is being said.

Why do you persist in making sweeping generalisations
concerning the so called "progressives"
and/or - the "leftists" in every one of your discussions.
Labelling people is so yesterday.
You're beginning to sound like a broken record.
Surely you can do better that that.
Or can you?

I wonder.

Why not surprise us all and say something intelligent -
just once.

Otherwise I'll have to give your future posts
a miss. If you don't say something new.
Oh and try laying off the personal attacks.
They're simply a sign of a weak debater.