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The Forum > General Discussion > In Defence of Flogging or A case for Corporal Punishment:

In Defence of Flogging or A case for Corporal Punishment:

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O Sung Wu, my relative spent 7 years in jail, so I do know what goes on, and no, I don't feel sorry for what inevitably happens to some of the scum inhabiting our jails!
Mostly, there is not much the jail staff can do about what happens when they aren't watching.

I do draw the line at lining the inmates up and using state-paid officers to either flog them or kill them however, as that is just like the inmates behaviour....
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 6 December 2014 1:38:37 PM
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Hi there SUSEONLINE...

You're are absolutely correct when you say it's hard for prison staff to watch inmates continually, for the purpose of stopping some of the violence happening to other inmates.

On the issue of the cane, I just can't see where you're coming from there ? So it's a case we'll have to disagree essentially. Thank you for your contributions, I always appreciate when the ladies add their often, very superior intellects to a conversation.
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 6 December 2014 1:49:54 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

I've been re-thinking the case of punishment and
after reading Suse's latest post I have to admit
that I am leaning towards agreeing with her.
I've written in the past concerning discipline
and children and on re-reading my thoughts at
that time, find that the same can possibly apply
to adults.

Punishment does not deter misconduct in the case
of children and it probably would not deter criminal
acts in the case of adults either. Punishment merely
makes the offender more cautious in committing his/her
crime, more adroit in concealing their traces, more
skillful in escaping detention. When either a child
or an adult is punished they resolve to be more
careful, not more honest and responsible.

Punishment fails to achieve its goal. No one says to
themselves, while being punished, "I'm going to
improve. I am going to be a better person - more
responsible, generous, and loving." Criminals know
that punishment is rarely administered for their
benefit, that it serves the needs of the institution.
The fact is, those who rely on retribution invite
revenge. Those who resort to physical force teach
violence. Those who engender hate become a partner in
violence and an accessory to future crime.

What needs to be done - is attempt to find alternatives
to violent punishments. Ethical concepts like -
honesty, charity, mercy, respect, responsibility,
can't be taught directly. They can only be learned in concrete
life situations from people one respects. One grows into
virtue; one can't be forced by punishment.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:18:45 PM
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Hi there FOXY...

I'd agree with your summation, there's no evidence to suggest, neither capital nor corporal punishments is a deterrent. Though the cane did stop me from talking in class ! Sorry that's a little disingenuous of me ?

My case for corporal punishment is 'punishment'. It's not meant as a deterrent, or as a threat to a potentially violent offender. Neither is it a fiscal alternative (as suggested in Mr MOSKOS'S proposal). It's merely a punishment, in addition to whatever term of imprisonment the offender may receive from the Courts.

I suspect FOXY, there are many of those who may perceive me as a very brutal and violent individual, full of hate and revenge ? Actually, I'm far from it. What I simply couldn't get over, is the amount of absolute misery, the broken lives, the total destruction of mind and/or body, of victims that I've been very close to over the years.

Trying to explain to victims, or their family and friends, why the Courts appear to have been so soft and lenient on offenders. And yes, I'll admit to occasionally 'tearing up' (privately) after seeing the dreadful carnage occasioned upon some children, unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is a component of policing, academics never get to see other than in photographs. They fail to see, or hear the sounds, or smell the dreadful odours of death (all of which you take home with you, at the conclusion of your shift)

When I was younger I could 'go the knuckle', I'm not blowing my own trumpet ! How difficult to restrain myself from literally ripping some of these offenders heads from their shoulders ! To receive a 'second' of satisfaction, to give victims some 'momentary' justice, I would've lost everything, career, my job, my super, my pension, and worse, my good fame and character !

You see, the justice system in Australia, 'fails' all victims badly, whether white collar, or a brutal homicide, it fails. At the hands of these awfully weak, 'jelly judges' !
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 6 December 2014 4:53:34 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

Thank You for sharing your experiences.

Views differ based on our individual experiences.

I won't presume to be any kind of a pundit.
All I have to go by is what life has taught me
thus far, and I'm still on my own road to discovery.
I can fully understand your views and the reasons
for them. Our perceptions of things change and we look
at the world more clearly about the effect that
certain episodes have on us in our lives. How certain
encounters affect us. In the end all we really have to
go by are our own life experiences - and the obstacles
that we have to overcome in life.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 December 2014 5:30:31 PM
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Hi (again) FOXY...

Thanks again for your candid and circumspect view, I really appreciate it. On a final note on this specific issue; To be very honest with you, it's not entirely my desire to have introduced corporal punishment. I will admit quite publicly, in this year of 2014, the concept of regressing to an almost medieval practice of flogging another human being (and I'm being somewhat loose with the term 'human being') is entirely repugnant to me. But I can only see the judiciary taking a far more lenient line, without any realistic or positive payoff for the community ?

The judiciary peddle the line '...we're the only qualified persons who are in possession of 'ALL' the facts, therefore it's down to us who must carefully weigh and dispense justice, without deferring to the public will, nor public opinion...' !

Oh please, we're not all that dense to believe even a quarter of that legalized agitprop ! AND WHAT ABOUT THE POOR BLOODY VICTIMS ! Totally forgotten by this insulated group of arrogant Jurists ?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 6 December 2014 8:36:24 PM
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