Dear o sung wu,

I see, so your verboseness at quadruple my levels is your attention to respondents on your threads but mine is all about narcissism? Lol. Okay mate, whatever.

But I do want you to discuss your toxic inferiority complex which seems to drive much of your anger. You tear strips off AJ Phillips for daring to talk about old time coppers as being uneducated but then lament to Snake; “By now, it's quite evident to you, that I'm a poorly educated individual. Far too easy for most people to exude some form of superior intellect over me.”

What tosh. My highest education bit of paper was a very ordinary VCE only obtained on the second attempt. I have a fondness for writers like Patterson, Twain and Conrad which may give me the odd turn of phrase but I don't think I have a superior intellect over you but probably a mind more open to other ideas and empathies.

So if you are determined to sook up try and at least do it for the right reasons. If you think I may have hit below the belt so to speak on this occasion then I am more than happy to have a conversation about us moderating our language otherwise let's just get on with it.

STEELIE, I see you're again carefully examining and quantifying the number of posts, even the number of words I've written ? Why ? Does my brief moment of enjoyment teasing you on anything and everything annoy you ? Again, why ? Why do you take yourself, and the Forum, so seriously, it's got me buggered ? There's nothing anyone can say, infer, or aver about me 'personally' that would ever have any emotional impact whatsoever !

Personally, there's nothing now or in my immediate past, worthy of being taken, either soberly or pensively, save for my remaining longevity perhaps, even that's entirely out of my control ! Being retired from the police, I can only say, potential (new) coppers, must quickly learn to absorb the many barbs, accusations, threats, and downright lies, otherwise the job's not for them.

You claim I 'tore strips' off A J PHILIPS ? Normally I'd never furnish you with ANY reason for my actions or omission to act. However... You don't think for a moment his derisive statements about the old style coppers in the job, was both rude and quite arrogant, particularly as he'd never served ? I'll admit to being one of the most frequent offenders for being somewhat 'prickly' even acerbic, when dealing with individuals 'slagging' both police per se, and ADF members, and the Vietnam War.

I would also remind you, of one contributor who continually attacked police. Alleging corruption and other matters of alleged gross lack of professionalism ? I supported him always, as I could understand his frustration(s). Even now. I think he could be residing somewhere, at Her Majesty's Pleasure ? It was < ONE UNDER GOD.

But - back to the point; at least I know something about both. I've lost too many friends, both coppers and other Vets, to allow a mere theoretician, who's never experienced either, to wilfully degrade either their service or reputation ? Or is this another 'manufactured' event perhaps ? It takes two hands to clap my friend.

This is all the Internet I'll have for a week or two, so it'll be a while before I respond again after this.

o sung wu,

I never said you wouldn't know anything. It is this sort of bluff and bluster, or dishonesty, that suggests you have nothing to back your claim that I wouldn’t know anything. I see that you’re back to your dishonest claims of derision. What I said was relevant to what both you and Hasbeen had said (combined).

You have made no attempts to enlighten me with your experience. The closest you’ve come to doing this was to mention the smirking crook, but you never elaborated on how a rational justification for flogging followed from this. In the other thread, you did explain to me just how poor the uni graduates’ spelling and grammar was when applying to join the force - in an attempt to contradict my claims (backed by hundreds of studies) that cops with higher education perform better overall - but it didn’t seem to occur to you that, by extension of your logic, the applicants who did not have any higher education would generally have been even worse. When I pointed this out, you just got cranky.

I have invited you to explain why I’m wrong. You’ve had plenty of chances to do this too. But you decline most of the time, and even when you try, it doesn’t negate my point. All you do is hide behind the suggestion that criminologists are clueless pontificators who tell people what to do when they haven’t got a clue. In reality, however, many of them are ex-cops, and those who aren’t work very closely with them.

All this experience as a cop and my first question on this thread baffled you. You hadn’t even thought about what I had asked, and when prompted a second time for a response, you made the excuse that my shooting down of an ignorant claim from runner (using his own nasty tone, mind you - he was not some innocent victim) was the reason you didn’t answer.

Bollocks.

A J PHILIPS...

My problem is, I just don't respect you, nor like you, it's as simple as that ! HASBEEN has summed you up quite succinctly I thought, and he's a layman, never served a day as a copper. Your academic arrogance is breathtaking. If of course you were an academic, which by your own admission you're not. You've stated you've yet to complete your degree.

How old are you, I'm 75. Yet you have the temerity to say I'm wrong, after 32 years as a policeman - I again, refer you to my first sentence above. Perhaps the answer to why I don't bother to answer you, may well be found therein ?

You've alleged I duck and weave from answering any of your questions ?And in your mind, it proves everything you've stated is right ? Ok, As I said earlier on, I'll defer to your greater knowledge ? Yet you still get your 'knickers in a knot', why ? Ok may I ask you a police type question, so basic in fact it's dealt with in the first couple of weeks in the academy, OK ?

What are the criminal proofs, in common law Larceny ? This is so basic, the average recruit 'drop-out' can tell you ! Or is it the type and quality of the question, below that of an academic ?

Dear o sung wu,

It took me only a couple of minutes to ascertain your posting frequency, simple cut and paste into a spreadsheet and Bob's your uncle.

But I did do a quick scan of our earlier exchanges to see where we initially parted company and it seems I jokingly implied that one of your slightly less than clear posts may have been the product of a 'Sherry hour'. You have had your nose out of joint for a very long time.

So I'm afraid your claim of treating the forum as a bit of a laugh and being impervious to slights doesn't really stack up.

And it is not the first time you have been accused of using the fact you were a policeman to denigrate others;

“So you were once a cop o sung, bully for you. I suppose you think that gives you some right to insult those who weren't so anointed, or some insight to the thinking of others.” Hasbeen

Look mate I will be rapt if at 75 I'm still kicking around forums like this, how about counting your blessings rather than counting imaginary scalps.

STEELEREDUX...

I'm occasionally confounded by some of the things you raise ? Why on earth, would you even bother to waste your time trawling back though some of the threads I've written, in order to establish a fact not in issue ? What do you mean by the words 'Sherry Hour' unless it's another description of 'happy hour'?

You've also asserted, that I have a 'glass jaw', so 'thin skinned' that cannot accept censure of any type ? Do you honestly believe that ? After all the 'crap' and abuse the average copper with my length of exposure has had to 'cop', both from crooks and the general public, usually at all levels of inebriation ?

What will make this cranky bloke of 75 'arc up', is unfounded attacks on police or members of the ADF (specifically Vietnam) ?

Apropos A J PHILIPS, I'd not bother to answer him for the reason I've very clearly enunciated, to both of you !

Interestingly, when I first joined the job, an old sergeant said to us 'newies' '...look lads, remember never argue with a mug...' or similar words. A valuable lesson I thought ? It was my initial mistake, after reading the first couple of A J PHILIPS'S 'threads'. Though I deferred to much of what he was saying.

Speaking of A J PHILIPS, reminds me of something quite disconcerting ?The number of individuals on this Forum, who regularly rely on citing opinions, studies and views of others ? Usually by supplying and adding numerous references to fortify or strengthen their claims ?

I don't think this Forum's a Site to provide an academic dissertation for an undergraduate degree ? Because a person has had a paper published, it doesn't mean it's correct ? It's just that individual's opinion(s). By constantly reproducing another's arguments or views, it indicates to me, the contributor hasn't the confidence to articulate their own point of view ? Many occasions I could've furnished reams of 'case law', but what's the point of that ?