You see Paul, when you make a stupid statement like "Then there is the list of a couple of hundred exceptions from murder, rape, right down to jaywalking" you blow your argument.

I offered five serious offences I feel warrant consideration for the death penalty, not a couple hundred including as you suggest jaywalking. Please have the courtesy to not misquote me and others (which seems to be a regular tactic from you), exaggerations are just another form of lies. No one trusts a proven liar.

What do you and your bros in Amnesty International suggest is an appropriate way to deal with recidivist murders, rapist, paedophiles, and violent sadistic criminals? Most likely a slap on the hand, free legal representation, $10,000 compensation for having a rough upbringing, followed by a group hug and blaming the victims, I suppose.

Hey o sung wu, I am surprised at you. I only ever got the cane once, & never again. I really am surprised you were such a slow learner.

Paul I read years ago that only fools & con men volunteer too much information about themselves.

There is absolutely no need for you to volunteer incriminating evidence that you are a member of a seditious organisation such as Amnesty International.

You are entitled to keep such dark secrets private. Of course we have all assumed your tendency to such extremes, but now we have proof at your own hand.

FOXY...

You have my apology for misunderstanding you, your politics and your stance on pacifism.

Indeed, I've read Mr MOSKOS'S book and I've heard him speak. He is a well regarded academic from John Jay in NYC. I summarised much of his opinions and views, already within this Topic.

Essentially his belief of flogging is a voluntary alternative to that of Gaol. Based mainly on economics, and a realistic option for a offender to avoid altogether, a period of incarceration by consenting to a Singapore/Malaysian style of caning ?

My original submission was altogether quite different. There exists certain crimes so heinous, and so violent, that as well as long periods of imprisonment, the offender should ALSO receive a set number of strokes with the cane. This is quite supplemental to his term of imprisonment.

I want you, and anyone else for that matter, to know that I've had to stand by ineffectually, and witness convicted criminals who've just been found guilty of a heinous and brutal series of crimes, occasioned against a young female, and who've just been sentenced to a lengthy period of imprisonment. All the while smirking and laughing in the direction of the bereaved relatives of the victim, as they're led back to the cellular area.

These people deserve no mercy, and should be subjected to a specified number of strokes with a cane. Am I some sort of monster ? Quite probably. However if any of you, have had to witness just a mere tenth of what I've seen, observing and feeling the almost palpable misery and the emotional devastation, felt by these bereaved parents, spouses, or family members, and then be prepared to bravely condemn any form of corporal punishment ?.....well I really don't know ?

It's not a case of revenge. Rather it's justic

O Sung Wu, as far as I am concerned, the state sanctioned flogging or killing of any criminal is just dragging our society as a whole down to the level of the criminals.

In one breath we would be saying that murder and assault are heinous crimes, but on the other we would be saying we could flog or kill someone under the right circumstances?

My family have been victims of a terrible crime, but at no stage did I want to agree to kill the perpetrator. A long, long time behind bars with several men who fancied him, sure, but not to kill him.
Our society is more civilized than that.

Talk about looking through rose coloured glasses, history's revisionists are at it again!
I live in the city of Sydney, now this from Hasbeen supported by Beach; <<I would never be knifed, as no one carried knives around entertainment venues, but we could still carry them hunting.>>
These blokes must have lived very sheltered lives down on the farm. In the 1920's and 30's Sydney was under the control of gangs, the most notorious being the 'Razor Gang' which controlled organised crime in inner Sydney. The slums of Darlinghurst, Surry Hills, Paddington and East Sydney. Ghastly murders committed by gang members with cut throat razors were common. These places were no go areas, to enter you had to be in fear of your life. In the 19th and early 20th century the slums of The Rocks were controlled by Irish criminals from the Rocks Push every bit as bad as any modern day gang.

A bit of light historical reading lads:

http://gallery.records.nsw.gov.au/index.php/galleries/people-of-interest/tilly-devine-the-razor-gang-wars-1927-31/

Fellas, if your going to talk nonsense, please pepper it with one or two facts, instead of 100% fantasy.

ConservativeHippie; At least Hitler and Stalin conducted "show trials". Which one do you favour, Hitler or Stalin. To say "Going one step further, where an offender (of one of the above crimes) is caught in the act... dispense with a trial and shoot them on the spot." A totally outrageous statement! it makes you no better than the for mentioned gentlemen, except they had the power and you don't.
Hip, note the << and >> in my post that is a direct quote of what you said, the couple of hundred and jaywalking was add by me to highlight the ridiculousness of your posting.
Now you go on speaking for me "Most likely a slap on the hand, free legal representation, $10,000 compensation for having a rough upbringing, followed by a group hug and blaming the victims, I suppose." The short answer is, NO! but my answer is not as you want summery execution.
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And this from the Religious Intolerant One; "except of course Paul the butcher of the unborn. We will just change terminology so as to fit my 'peaceful' nature." Runner I do not support abortion on demand at all, it may put me at odds with many but that is my moral opinion. On that subject, How many church going, Liberal voting mums and dads have I come across over the years who are totally opposed to abortion. However, on finding their own sweet daughter of 15 is "up the duff" to some pimply faced boy, and immediately have the family GP arrange an illegal abortion to save both their daughters virtue, and the family honor, we don't want neighborhood gossip do we. Come on runner get real.

Foxy, another good post.