O Sung Wu,

Sorry to spoil your day ole fella but am sure you have been aware of what I said for some time. It was acutely brought home to me during the last Lebanon-Israeli war when thousands of 'Aussies' demanded that our government get them out of Lebanon. We brought them back and then held classes for them to be informed as to how Centrelink could help them. They had previously moved to Lebanon but still received Aussie benefits. I could not believe that so many 'Aussies' were there in a country no bigger than my uncles back paddock. They are duel citizens, now living in Lebanon.

I do not agree with JoM at this point, there is no need to expel anyone. At this point it would be sufficient merely to stop muslim immigration to contain problem at about present level. We import about 30,000 a year currently. After a time we could re-asses the situation, but the difficulty now is getting the polys to acknowledge there is a problem. Surely they can see the problems of not integrating and the issues in UK are well known.

It will get far worse before it gets better.

the 'progressives'have trashed every bit of Christianity in England and are now reaping what they have sown. The same is happening here. The mantra that all cultures and religions are equal has been pushed by secular bigots who know that it is an outright lie. Just look at how the regressives continue to destroy the aboriginals by ignoring abhorrent practices and perpetuating myths. Culture triumps over truth and that is certainly what has led us to this mess.

O sung sometimes great plans are defeated by a small unforeseen circumstance.

There is some chance that the women whose wombs they plan to use to conquer the west may object to being nothing but wombs. They might see that in western society women are valued for a little more than their brood mare capacity.

On the other hand, I'm not sure a takeover would be all that detrimental to any of us, who could pretend to be devout to their god.

They would most definitely clean out the bludgers from our societies. I expect there would be a great reduction in welfare recipients, single mothers, academics & bureaucrats. It would not be a good time to be green, homosexual, or an ABC staff member, I would guess.

Changing this bunch for a bunch of Muslim clerics may make very little difference to most of us, in fact we may not even notice, apart from some blood in the street. The way we are going with our growing debt, we may already be too poor to notice any real change.

I am very pleased I told my kids to not concentrate only on security, but to have lots of fun along the way. You & I may have lived in a time when storing our wealth away for old age had much going for it, but I'm not too sure it will help our kids by the time they reach our age.

Not to worry, I reckon you & I will be gone, before it gets to be too much of a problem old mate, & if not we could still go out in a blaze of glory

@Foxy, Thursday, 13 November 2014 9:21:03 AM

Somehow I very much doubt that Peter Costello would ever have intended any support of an open door immigration policy, or that Australia shouldn't be discriminating in who was offered citizenship.

There are numerous infamous cases where long stayers and economic migrants for example have been easily able to defeat deportation and eventually gain citizenship.

It is quite obvious that the policy you wrongly imply that Peter Costello might have meant and supported, viz take any and all and hope that the law can take care of them later, introduces an array of serious problems that can extend beyond the lifetime of the unsuitable foreign interloper.

Asking that they enter into an agreement to obey laws is ridiculous.

otb,

You again are putting your own take on things.
Not mine or that of Peter Costello's.

You should go back and read my post - which by
the way I have cited from Peter Costello's
own book. If you have objections - to what he's
stated - that is not my problem.

He does not advocate an "open door" policy as you imply.
Neither do I. We have a strict selective criteria
for immigation in this country. And we have laws which
Peter Costello makes quite clear that -

"...Ultimately, however, it is important that they
know there is only one law and it is going to be
enforced whether they acknowledge its legitimacy or not."

Again, Peter ostello stated that:

"After the London Underground bombing of 2005
I was troubled by the fact that young people born
and raised in a democratic society could turn to
terrorism and kill their fellow citizens in the
name of Islam. I gave a speech at the Sydney Institute
in which I argued that freedom and tolerance can be
protected only within a legal framework that is
accepted by all."

Anyway, if you don't understand what's being said or
find it ridiculous - that is not my problem, but yours.
I cited directly from Costello's book - and if you don't like
it - well as they say - you are entitled to your opinion.

What you are not entitled to do is put your own
assumptions about what is in my posts.

I would appreciate it if you would stick to your own
posts and not twist things in mine - to suit your own narrow
point of view.

There's a good chap!

Banjo,
I was talking about Europe specifically, I'm unconvinced of the notion that we have a Muslim problem in Australia and in general I see them as an antidote to further expansion of the cancer of Locke and so called "enlightenment values".
A scenario:
What I can see though is that in Europe the Left and Centre have nothing to offer the indigenous population and their values are completely incompatible with Islam.
What will happen is the rise to power of Nationalist or neo Fascist styled parties and this will be violently resisted by the Left requiring the state to intervene, this opens the possibility of civil war.
The "motif" or rallying point of the Nationalists will be something like "reconquista", the much smaller Left wing militant groups will be quickly exterminated and attacks upon immigrant groups will draw in NATO and EU forces to keep the peace.
Eventually peace negotiations will have to occur with centrist politicians siding with the Nationalist/Fascist groups and giving in to some of their demands for the sake of harmony.
The vast bulk of the non European population of Europe will either leave of their own accord or face ongoing persecution, the ethnic mix might look something like it did in 1900 and the people in power will not be the types to negotiate on "human rights".
We've seen it before, most recently in the Balkans and it'll happen again on the continent, most probably beginning in France with smaller movements in other countries.