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Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

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There is an old saying "violence begets violence."

A plot by extremists to kill Australians generates a backlash of anti Islamic behaviour which creates more extremists.

I can only see a few options to cut this cycle.

1 Don't arrest 2 men with 100 in dramatic fashion.

2 Don't release information in a format that sensationalises their crimes,

3 Block the imported mullahs that teach a radicalised jihadist version of Islam that has no place in a secular democracy.

2 and 3 of course are difficult to enforce in a free democratic society.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 13 November 2014 12:33:04 PM
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Constance,
If Jews and Christians truly lived in peace and harmony under Islamic rule in Spain then it's probably the only example of this happening in the history of the Islamic movement and is therefore irrelevant.
During this "golden age" jihad was raging across the middle east and Asia and Jews and Christians were being exterminated or enslaved wherever the Muslim armies found them, not to mention the millions Hindus and Buddhists put to the sword.
By some estimates only 80 of the last 1400 years have been free of Jihad and the massive purges and mass murder events have continued into the present era. The Armenian genocide in the 1920's and the killings in Indonesia in the 1960's are the two most obvious examples and don't be shocked if we see millions of people slaughtered as the Jihad in West Africa ramps up in coming years.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 13 November 2014 12:46:36 PM
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BANJO, what are you doing to this old man eh ? You're worrying the life out of me, that's what ? Sadly, that's EXACTLY what I think is happening now, this giant religion has started to quietly mobilize and it's tentacles are inexorable spreading out across the western world. Why, because they can that's why ? Most, not all western nations, are steadfastly trying to comply with political correctness, and attempting to conform with United Nation proclamations and decrees on human rights edicts and conventions, Islam has caught us all napping, and has moved in !

Moreover, the western superpowers, the likes of the US, Britain and France, don't appear to have the stomach or the will to meaningfully challenge these people. So with all the aerial bombardment and providing advice to the Iraq military, without a massive full frontal assault against ISIL and wipe them out completely, they will remain and only become much stronger.

There are some cities in the UK where Islam now holds sway. So powerful, and so influential are they, successive British governments are at a loss of what to do about them with their massive domination in some Midland cities. The same can be said of France, with the largest Muslim population of any other European country, approaching seven million ?

To answer my own question...? I no longer think there's any hope that we can peacefully co-exist together, quite the contrary I'm afraid.
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 13 November 2014 2:37:00 PM
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Hi FOXY...

Your quotation from Mr COSTELLO'S book inter alia '...There's not a separate stream derived from religious sources that competes with, or supplants Australian law in governing our civil society. The source of our law is the democratically elected legislature...'

I would agree with everything he's said. The trouble being many of these second generation young Islamic blokes, don't feel it necessary to conform to our 'secular' jurisprudence ? Rather they consider our laws as being wholly subordinate to their Islamic beliefs, which are infinitely superior to everything else.

As Australian citizens, they enjoy the same entitlements, concessions and privileges as any other citizen. Yet they turn up their noses to everything that doesn't suit them ? Notwithstanding, they seem to execrate, even revile many of our freedoms and rights we all enjoy ? An example; if they're arrested, they're inordinately quick to demand taxpayer funded legal aid ? Yet they'll vocally condemn and deride our justice systems ?

Unless our government (whoever is in power) does something proactively and relatively soon, to protect this once great country of ours, from this rapidly burgeoning group of fundamental Islamists, we're headed for a real lot of trouble. Only the most closeted optimist cannot see what's occurring, not only here in Australia, but all over the western world FOXY.
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 13 November 2014 3:42:14 PM
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O Sung,
The great fear among Europeans who are not brainwashed by egalitarian fantasies is not that Islam will win it's that ordinary Europeans will fight back when things finally get out of hand, when churches and synagogues are being bombed and non Muslim people murdered on a daily basis.
Most of the Muslims could be peacefully expelled over a period of decades by simple legislative changes, banning their kids from attending school, cutting off their access to welfare and health services and so forth until the only ones left are very old.
The most likely and unfortunately the worst case scenario is civil war between Europeans where the Muslims are the meat in the sandwich, there's going to be no negotiation with the Whites who would be in power during and after such an event and we know what Europeans are capable of when they're restless or under threat.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 13 November 2014 4:06:51 PM
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Hi there JAY OF MELBOURNE...

What a dreadful prognosis you've given us my friend ? If only the respective leaders of the Country's that appear to be the most affected in western Europe, to have had the initial foresight to see what was happening, particularly Britain with their policy of unfettered immigration, perhaps much of this could've been avoided ? Now I suspect we'll never know.

It's for this reason, I can't understand why we, here in Australia aren't sufficiently motivated enough to commence some proactive measures, in an endeavour to try and avoid what might ultimately occur over in Europe ?
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 13 November 2014 5:08:29 PM
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