David

Yes of course we will supply all you request.

Could you however wait until we have done so before you contact them.
We want you to have ALL the facts. If then you think we are being unfair we WILL listen to you.

We are not picking on the Salvation Army. We had the same issue with the red cross farm hand appeal years ago.

You see David we are in contact with farmers. Also and please note Belly we are from the bush third generation farmers ourselves.-

Nor are we suggesting anybody put Animals before people.

We are suggesting that its common sense to keep a farmers stock alive which is the reason he considers taking his or her life in the first place.

David we know what the Salvation Army will say to you.

Thats is that Peter Costello will not allow them to use funds collected from the public for stock feed and water.

I am going to post the history the names the letters and how this correspondence between the Salvation Army and our organisation has been played out so far.

Just give us time to go back and put all the emails and phone calls and letters in order so it makes sense to you and others.

Here are the real people doing Gods Work.

http://www.aussiehelpers.org.au/

These people wrote to the Salvation Army ages ago about the same thing- Which they the Salvation Army denied. Intead they said nobody had asked for this type of help.We have a copy of that letter David they received asking them to help with feed for stock.

Men and women of Australia. Please help the Aussie Helpers who do not take ONE CENT of your donations.

Hi PALE.. lucky I looked here b4 I clicked 'send' :) Here are the questions I drafted for the contact person at the Sallys..
I'll await your info before I retrieve this from 'drafts' and put it in the 'out' box.
regards
BD

http://www.salvationarmy.org.au/drought
Matt Tatti 03 54427889

Dear Matt.
I have been asked to contact the Salvo's regarding this appeal and the handling of the funds.

Could you indicate the following:

1/ Current Balance in the fund
2/ Guidelines on which funds are distributed.
3/ Is there a provision for direct stock feed assistance as well as human assistance ?
4/ Does the Salvo's produce an annual report on the fund, and how funding has been allocated, including the percentage allocated for administration?

Regards
David B

P.S. this issue was raised in a forum to which I draw your attention here.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/compose-message-general.asp?discussion=659

hello David
Firstly we made it clear to OLO readers this is NOT an attack on the Salvos. its a plead for a change of attitude. Its a plea for everybody collecting money from the public to listen to the victims- The farmers. Its a plea for a more common sense approach. Now we knos we will offend some however paying people to council and pray is hardley doing our best. Public donations for Farm appeals ought to be left up to the person making the donation. Also to ask the farmer WHAT HE wants.
Church leaders from across the country are sadly lacking in compassion[ OTHER THAN PRAYERS FOR GODS CREATURES>]
The lady I spoke to David was Lyn lochrane. She said to be honest she had never thought about it. We are aware the Ausies helpers HAD in fact already written and some others also.

I have coppied part of a letter from the head of Salavation Army below for you David.>

Hi Wendy

I can't comment on the information you were given through the Southern Territory. I think you spoke to Major Lyn Cochrane,
What I can say is that The Salvation Army will continue to operate within the scope of it's constitution or charter which is to respond to human suffering. We have a positional statement for our church members on The Environment which expresses concern for all forms of life, not only human life.
But I reiterate that we are not in a legal position to spend donated funds for this purpose.

It would be a simple thing for The Salvation Army to change it's structure on paper (to include animal suffering in drought.It seems to me that it would be just as simple for the RSPCA to channel it's funds into services for victims of domestic violence, or Greenpeace to begin supporting medical research. Perhaps that's a question I'll leave to the legal experts.

Regards

Neil
Neil Dickson (Major)
Territorial Appeals Director

Since then they paid for another TV add.
It says-
WE ALL KNOW HOW TO FEED SHEEP?
Whos paying for that?

Hi Wendy, well.. it looks like they are acting in accordance with their constitution, and that is quite important. But..having said that, it may well be that the 'message' they are sending out, is drawing donations from people who are concerned to aid the suffering animals, which may be a bit dicey ethically.

The question there is.. to analyse their advertizing, and see exactly what the OVERALL message is.. for example:

Do they show suffering animals ?
If they do, how do they connect this with their limited scope of operation?
Why would they show suffering animals if they dont intend to help alleviate that suffering ?

I've not seen the adverts but I know TV advertizing costs an arm and 3 legs... so.. I'd focus on the actual 'para message' of the Ads...and then ask them how much they spend on:
a) Ads
b) Non Aide related things like Administration and Salaries from each dollar collected. (for specific needs)
c) Ask if this is revealed in their annual report.

Hope this helps.
BD

Thanks David

Actually all we wanted was help to draft a letter to them.

We never suggested they acted outside their rules.

We ARE suggesting this IS their calling.

Its common sense if animals die it is the farmers income.
Its dam right cruel to do nothing! to help Animals also.
Nothing.
Yes in the past other organisations have shown dieing animals and very poor animals.
Salvos spent money making a add just to say. We all know how to feed sheep.?
Dont worry about how much they get or anything like that.
Its not the issue we are raising.
We are asking not only the Salvos but all Churches to show some leadership towards Gods Animals.

Actually the RSPCA do a lot of work with dometic abuse because they know only too well you cant serperate neglect of people and animals
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Fair enough.. sounds like you are on the right track now.. sufficiently in the know to take it the next step...
Keep up the good work.
cheers