David Boaz
We have spoken to many farmers who say they prefer feed and water for stock out of the public donations for Farmers appeal.
' It only makes sense if you keep a farmers stock going he wont be in need of having his kids school fees paid etc.
We have also spoken to many members of public who said of course they thought their money wouldd go to buying feed for stock.
We are at a loss to understand how anybody could turn their backs on Gods Creatures.
The lady in charge informed us she had attended farms counciling people not to take their own lives. She said she had "never thought before we raised it" Gods creatures dying slowly of starvation and thirst.
Never thought of it David can you believe that?

We invite everyone to write a letter To Slavation Army keeping it to three hundred and fifty words and David is going to overseas them and we hope add his also.

For the record David since our contact they now have adds on TV saying- Anybody can feed sheep.

Yeh sure- So long as they have feed.

I think thats a clear example of their attitude anyway.
Thats an insulting thing to say to our farmers.
It shows us all their real attitude towards farmers as far as we asre concerned.
Anybody can feed sheep indeed. How insulting!
We are a not NPF organisation. most of our people work 14 and 16 hour days without pay.
Why do these people take public money given to Australian Farmers to PAY themselves.?
Its wrong.

Ok David we will leave it over to you know to help with a letter asking these folk to see what is before their eyes.
Thank You David Boaz

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming

What on earth would possess you to give Boazy a soapbox to rant on and on. We all know from reading his many irrational posts that he is not in touch with reality and just loves this sort of attention. I think the best thing to do is to ignore him. I haven't bothered reading his posts for ages and I suspect most others have turned off him as well. Inviting him to give his opinion is almost as irrational as he is. His views are irrelevant except to a very small number of bible bashing crazies. Ignore him.

Do not worry about BD ranting Pale can do better at the drop of a hat!
How out of touch are you with the real world pale?
Do you understand just how hard some on the land are finding it to live?
That for some the food and all that comes with it is a Christmas gift, while not given just at Christmas it is proof Australia cares.
I will tell you a true story from my childhood, not in any way are all on the land rich pale.
A passing tourist once gave some country kids a loaf of bread and packet of sweets, the first sweets those kids had in two years it still reminds me to give what you can.
I often review your posts and mine to assure myself I am not being needlessly rude.
But you assure me in this post you can never understand the pain this drought brings to rural Australians.
While I no longer come from the land my work takes me constantly to country so bad it hurts.
And are you even a little bit aware some even kill themselves because of this drought?
I find your reasoning astounding putting animals in front of humans who are suffering so badly.
And while not a Christian can not except that you want a well loved group like the Salvos to starve humans and save animals is idiotic.

Peppy
I notice you are not prepaired to assist with the letter yourself.
This is one thread where I prefer to leave personalitys out of it if you dont mind.

We excepted Davids offer because-
A He was the 'only one who offered' to take a look at writing a letter to them.
B Because as you know hes rather fimilar with quotes etc.

C Because had you read a few more of his posts you would have read where he made a comment about meat works.

D Because when he posted on one particular thread he showed his real intentions- Which were all good.

E Because David has a deep faith in God but not nessarrily organised religion.

F Please feel free to comment on this thread.

Do you think we should ask farmers what they need to help them with public money instead of telling them where the money is going to.
Wouldnt a farmer know best what a farmer needs?

As a member of public who donated shouldnt I be able to say - That 5 thousand dollars i gave is to by feed for stock?

Do you think any organisation should take a percentage when collecting funds from the public for a natural disaster such as we are seeing now in Australia?

Do you think its ok to let stock die slowly and then say Gee I never thought about the animals.

Do you care Peppy or did you just come in the rubbish Dave?

Pepppy... I'd hardly call asking for support over a call to a common sense approach to distributing the gifts of Aussies toward needy farm animals a 'soapbox to rant on'... mate.. give us all a break... I'm honored and humbled that I'm even remotely regarded as someone who might have some small impact. Its not about 'me', its about the issue.

PALE could you assist by gathering uptodate information about the following:

1/ What is the balance in the fund right now ?
2/ What policy guidelines are being used to distribute it?
3/ How much of the fund is allocated to 'administration'?

I'll give the Sally's a call today and try to find out more myself.

Once I have sufficient information I'll think about some kind of response, which will definitely include drawing their attention to this thread, and your comments.

ACTION STATIONS. Once info is gathered, this can be used as a basis for more active involvement. I suggest you contact any members of your group in the various States, and recommend they make appropriate enquiries, including media about any problems they perceive.
I'm reluctant to 'pick' on the Sallys without adequate facts,because they have 2 very ministries near me, one being a drug and alchohol rehabilitation farm and another a youth ministry/conference centre.. both of which do a great job.

If it can be shown that they are misguided in their distribution of donated funds to farmers, I'll certainly ring them, write to them, and be supportive of a reconsideration of how to approach this.

blessings.

Pale.. just one more thing. Which particular person/contact at the Sallys did you call ? If you have a phone number and name it would be helpful.

Belly.. I don't think PALE is putting animals 'before' humans, but she sees the welfare of the animals as part of the total solution.

I'd prefer to see a flexible approach, ....offering farmers the alternative of which they need most.. Animal feed, or temporary assistance to get them through the financial struggle they encounter because of the inability to do anything for the stock.

Stock can always be sold... so there is a safety valve, though they might be in such poor condition they would not bring much income....

I think the Sallys' would be receptive to feedback.