AMD, It seems you need post traumatic treatment.

Most likely it was a mistake. In that there was no intention to down a civillian airliner, but human error (of one sort or another) resulted in that outcome.

But this will be good fodder for the conspiracy theorists and I see some are getting in early.

Thanks Josephus, the drugs prescribed are working well. No more lucid moments thanks to listening to the regular news outlets, CNN, ABC, Fox, whoever... just swallow my Mac Happy Pills and get on with a droning existence like many others hey ? And we're supposed to accept all this nonsense since September 11...The War On Terror, WMD's, The War On Whatever ? Its like the web log says...On Line Opinion mate, my opinion, your opinion and anyone with a computer who has an opinion.

No need for belittling someone else when it doesn't run in accord with your thoughts/opinion.

Yes this thread is bringing all sorts out of the closet...just caught another one didn't we?

Agronomist,

The point is that it is probable that Russia shipped surface-to-air missile systems into another country for the purpose of subverting that country and supporting 'rebels' who, in all likelihood, they had sent in earlier. Yes ? No ?

If this is true, then it is, in itself, an act of war, regardless of whether or not somebody made a 'mistake'. Yes ? No ?

No conspiracy, just plain dumb-dumbness.

Joe

OK, here’s a take on these events based on old and recent history. Afraid it’s a long story.

First, Foreign Minister Bishop’s UN resolution is exactly what’s needed. No rush to judgement, but a well-worded demand for what is obviously the right thing to do.

Demands for prejudgement come from those with an axe to grind and something to hide. The Nazis and the Americans have false-flag form going back to prewar times.

Hermann Göring pioneered false flag operations with the burning down of the Reichstag, immediately blaming the Communists and launching the so-called Notverordnung to extinguish all remaining liberty in Germany. Got in fast, before any investigation.

Then there was the faked-up “attack” by “Poles” (prisoners dressed in Polish uniforms) followed immediately by the Blitzkrieg attack on Poland and the Drang nach Osten to seize land for Lebensraum. Again got in fast – before any investigations! Schnell schnell schnell as the Germans barked to prisoners to hurry them into the gas chambers.

After Germany was defeated the brand passed to America with the Tonkin Gulf Incident followed by a criminal nine-year war on Vietnam’s people, slaughtering 2 million of them.

After the Americans were defeated in Vietnam as their German predecessors were in Europe, there was a mysterious attack on the Twin Towers, murdering 3000 people. The American Neocons, spouting an implausible conspiracy theory, blamed it on their own deadly creation Al Qa’eda and its Afghanistan hosts and achieved a game change in which the guts of the US constitution have been lost for ever and America placed on a permanent war footing both globally and domestically.

Taking advantage, the American Neocons, abetted by fellow-war criminals Tony Bliar and John Howard, invented an Iraqi cache of WMDs to use for a Blitzkrieg invasion of secular Iraq. Schnell schnell schnell - Saddam was offering and Blix was demanding an investigation that would expose the lie. Iraq is now at the mercy of Moslem barbarians.

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In another false flag operation America’s Islamist clients launched poison gas in Syria followed by an orchestrated howl for a barrage of missiles to punish the Syrian people and dislodge their secular government. War criminals like John McCain of Operation Rolling Thunder infamy demanded haste (schnell schnell schnell) to forestall any investigation of the source of the gas attack). Fortunately the Russians spiked their guns.

And now they’re screaming schnell schnell schnell again for increasing blows against Putin, again busting to get in before the murders of those on board Flight MH17 can be investigated. The murders are from fire well inside Ukraine’s borders where a Nazi-infested coup regime is waging violent war on a captive nation whose people have been daring to seek self-determination. Included in the Nazis’ equipment are batteries of exactly the same missiles that are said to have destroyed MH17, along with teams of experts trained in their use.

What sent the Americans and the drongoes who believe them into a fury in the first place was the help Russia gave the people of captive Crimea to seek self-determination at the ballot box. How DARE they vote for self-determination! Retaliate! Schnell schnell schnell!

There’s a context for assessing these events, a context which 50 million or more people including thousands of Australian heroes died in the 1940s to establish for the world. Here are a couple of links to the overriding principles of this hard-won context:

http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx (Note Article 1)
http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm (Note Principle VI a)