Ludwig,

"So, Jay is no longer with us. Poirot must be saddened at the loss of her new best friend.

Jay was off the rails right from the start. No one would respond to him because he was so obviously completely irrational and seething with hatred.

Then as Poirot slipped from calm rationality at the start of this thread, into a more and more decrepit state of mind, she started to embrace Jay. Then they both just slipped quietly… no, actually, very noisily, into complete insanity!!

This thread has been and continues to be an amazing study in psychology, or I should say: psychosis, or perhaps sickology!!

It makes old Rolf’s antics look very tame indeed! (:>)"

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What have Jay's comments got to do with me?

I think I agreed with his sentiments once.

You appear to be displaying some interesting psychology yourself late on this thread.

Like to bully a bit while you're busy playing victim, eh?

That appears to the general modus operandi for those who don't get their own way - and throw a tantrum about it.

I haven't personally impugned you on this thread.

I have disagreed with the stance you've taken.

You've exposed a rather irksome and mildly disturbing facet of your personality, methinks.

Ludwig, you are not helping yourself by trying to make it about Poirot. From my perspective my views and I'm guessing Paul's and most others who have disagreed with you have not diverged far from what Poirot has said on this topic. We may focus on different aspects and the topic of child sexual abuse is probably a lot more personal for Poirot than for some of us but by and large Poirot has been fairly polite (keeping in mind the importance of a scale of offence).

I've pretty much given up trying to discuss the issue with you, your claims about what you are and have done on this thread don't match the evidence of your posts regardless of what you choose to claim (or even believe) about it. I was mostly leaving it be, we disagree but I don't want to spoil future interactions by dwelling on that more than necessary but given the repeated attacks on Poirot for saying what I mostly agree with I started to feel my silence was not the best course.

R0bert

Yes, Ludwig.

Can I say that in the space of one thread you have "completely" lost my respect.

Not for your sentiments regarding Harris...but for your tactics in demonising and abusing certain of your fellow posters who disagree with your stance.

Most disappointing.

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(Thanks RObert:)

<< From my perspective my views and I'm guessing Paul's and most others who have disagreed with you have not diverged far from what Poirot has said on this topic. >>

Well R0bert, if you set aside all the polarised statements and the making out that I hold much stronger views than I really do, plus the absolute nastiness that Poirot has pumped out on this thread, then yes you’re probably right.

The enormous difference is in the way the you and Paul have conducted yourselves, compared to Poirot.

I had considered Poirot to be a very good OLO buddy for years before this thread. But she has now just completely corrupted that, and I see her as the second worst-ever respondent on OLO (No, Jay is not the worst).

<< … your claims about what you are and have done on this thread don't match the evidence of your posts >>

Sorry, but that is absolute BS!

I have gone to great lengths to repeat my primary motives over and over again.

<< …given the repeated attacks on Poirot… >>

Oh for goodness sake. I held off responding at all for a long time, while Poirot put out a lot of most unfortunate posts, one after the other. Then I eventually let it be known what I think of her. You are looking at this particular aspect of this long ‘discussion’ in a very unbalanced manner R0bert.

<< …you have "completely" lost my respect. Not for your sentiments regarding Harris...but for your tactics in demonising and abusing certain of your fellow posters who disagree with your stance. >>

Who are you kidding, Poirot?

It was DIRECTLY my views that you got so worked up and led you to become really quite nasty towards me.

My strongly worded posts, critical of you and a couple of others, have been quite recent. They have come after a sustained barrage of abuse from you and the other two.

I kept my cool for ages and then perhaps I let my guard down with a couple of strong posts. Or perhaps if I hadn’t eventually responded strongly, I would have been seen to have totally lost this ‘argument’ and to have been pummelled into submission by a bunch of aggressors.

It is easy to be very blunt and offensive. Yes I can do it too. Any six-year-old child can do it.

Anyway, I was just thinking today, while sitting on the beach here in Cairns, that maybe the relationship with you Poirot is recoverable. Afterall, you did seem like a nice person for about the first four years that I knew you in OLOland.

So I’d be more than happy to set our differences aside and just resume cordial discussions, either on this thread topic, or by just agreeing to let this particular topic go and to be friendly to each other elsewhere whenever we encounter each other.

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