HOJO..MATE ITS TIME YA LEARNED ABOUT UNDER THE COUNTER ACCOUNTING

FORTUNATLY..there is a yang to your yin
ask the auditor

http://www.pmi.com/eng/media_center/documents/kpmg%20report%20on%20illicit%20trade%20australia.pdf

A separate study by KPMG in the same month found that the black market in illicit tobacco in Australia is booming, costing the government up to $1 billion in forgone tax revenue.

The release of the KPMG report into illicit tobacco followed the 24 October 2013 joint announcement by the Australian Federal Police, Australian Customs and Border Protection Service, Victoria Police and the Australian Crime Commission of the arrest of 10 people in relation to alleged illegal tobacco importation with around 71 tonnes and 80 million cigarette sticks seized, and an estimated total defrauded taxation revenue of this seizure alone of more than $67 million."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-22/philip-morris-wrong-plain-packaging/5137682

if big toobacco wanted the beat up[is the beatup]

the anti-smoking mob beat this up..but once again..the stuff they put on the tax form..is a minimil number[look at global production/then figure if you can form a PRIVATE SMOKERS CLUB AND GET HALF PRICE TAX FREE SATISFACTION[ITS AN ADENOLIN rush smoking tax free/knowing your not the sukker paying the bill

It’s a nanny state....I don't know why they use that term, because it is an autocratic state run by lobbyists....minority rule....and I have never smoked.

Prohibition or introducing prohibitive factors to eradicate the target never works, particularly when the target is used within a social context....as in having a coffee with friends or having a beer with friends.....smoking ritualistic on some occasions so along with the ease of craving it carries a psychological hook, sort of monkey see monkey do.

Agronomist,

"So perhaps we can all agree that this was a tobacco industry beat up using cooked figures that a columnist bought without checking because it fitted his ideological agenda?"

Summed up very well.

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Shadow Minister,

You're not allowed to call people liars on this forum (apart from your last post being puerile in the extreme)

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OUG,

I'd like to reply to you....and more than once I've defended your unusual style of posting.

But...I can't make head nor tail of what you're
trying to say in your posts on this thread.

One Under God ..... what you "conveniently" failed to mention was that this exact same tobacco black market has existed in Australia for WELL OVER A CENTURY. It did *NOT* suddenly come into profit or existence merely because plain packaging laws exist.

Nice "try" OUG.

Damn I wish both sides of the media could provide links to the relevant data. Just spent far too long tracking these figures down. They are not in the CPI figures as suggested by one article but rather the National Accounts.

Okay here we go.

Plain packaging was introduced in Dec 2012. At that quarter the expenditure on tobacco and cigarettes was $3.508 billions dollars. The figures have then progressed as follows;

March 2013 $3.488 Billion
June 2013 $3.528 Billion
Sept 2013 $3.546 Billion
Dec 2013 $3.494 Billion
March 2014 $3.405 Billion

A download link to the ABS Household expenditure data can be found here;
http://tinyurl.com/k36n2za

What adds to decrease is the fact that cigarettes and tobacco CPI figures increased by 13.8% over that period due to increased taxes thus less were bought for the buck.

So there has obviously been a downward trend. The Australian was wrong and if they can make the claim that an increase in tobacco sales indicated the plain packaging was not working then the reverse applies. It is working, fewer of our youth will run the risk of addiction, and our future health budgets will be less than they otherwise would have been because of it. An Australian first worth celebrating.

Dear Poirot,

I think any condemnation of Shadow Minister in this case would justly be accompanied by the same being directed at Nhoj. Not that I plan on making a habit of defending him but in fairness there is probably good reason to think on this occasion SM was echoing what came his way. Not that I have kept and extended eye on all their exchanges.

Why thanks SteeleRedux, I love you too. xoxoxo