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Plain packaging....Labor boosts smoking rates!
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Posted by one under god, Sunday, 8 June 2014 12:54:39 PM
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SteeleRedux and others, you don't seem to want to recognize the hugely increased online market.
Here's a link, first one that came up when I put in 'buy cigarettes online' http://www.buysmokeonline.com/ You can buy one carton (200 cigarettes) for less than one packet here. (note the NO TAX as well) Do you still think smoking is in decline due to plain packaging? Another issue you seem to dodge is the fact that plain packaging was introduced to kurb smoking in our youth, yet, most of our youth can't buy them anyway. All this law has done is exposed us to a potential extremely costly legal battle, expending funds which One, we don't have, and Two, could be used for far more important issues. As for stopping smoking, the answer is simple, ban it from ALL public places, including our publicly owned roads and freeways. Make it unlawful to smoke around all children, or anywhere they frequent, such as their home, or the family car, Because after all, if we can legislate against smacking, we can surely legislate against passive smoking. Problem solved, except, where do we fill the revenue void left behind! Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 8 June 2014 12:55:07 PM
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SR,
"new data, obtained by The Australian, shows that tobacco sales volumes increased by 59 million “sticks”, or individual cigarettes or their roll-your-own equivalents last year." "The 0.3 per cent increase, though modest, goes against a 15.6 per slide in tobacco sales over the previous four years" I would suggest that you look up the definition of "boost" and review your comment. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 8 June 2014 1:26:59 PM
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As far as clamping down on smoking, all of the low-hanging fruit were picked many years ago. I fail to see why the taxpayer is still stumping up $$ for bureaucrats to justify their jobs in anti-smoking councils and the like. Similarly the non-productive bureaucratic nags of road safety and a multitude of other drains on the bucket of taxpayers' $$ should be done away with.
Honestly, when will there be a proper review of the multitude of committees, qangos and NGOs that swing from the guvvy teats at all levels of government and produce SFA but self-serving public relations bumpf? Jolly good jobs if you can get them, eh? Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 8 June 2014 1:28:01 PM
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The following link may be of interest:
http://reason.org/news/show/smoking-plain-packaging-and-public Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 8 June 2014 1:33:25 PM
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Here's another link which tells us that -
"The tobacco industry backed data on cigarette sales and smoking habits is contradicted by other sources, including the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS): http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/june/06/labor-rejects-tobacco-industry-claim-of-plain-packaging-policy-failure Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 8 June 2014 1:52:14 PM
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lets repeat it
<<...<<>.*Occupational exposure>>
this means industries exposure/of..<< workers to/industrial pollutants..also increases the risk for COPD...>>
CODP=PLURESY
<<..One study found/that\..the fraction of COPD [pluresY]..
attributed*..to work*..was estimated*..as 19.2% overall..>>
THATS INDUSTRY/ADMITTING IT*..causes[exposED..19.2..PERCENT/OF THOSE WHO GOT PLURESY]
NUT WAIT..IT GETS BETTER
<<..[and 31.1% among never smokers.]>>died from pluresy
HANG-ON?..69/PERCENT..0f..plurecy....not..gotten from work
so..69 percent..]*DIED..[BY..OTHER..FACTORS/..[presumably..INCLUDING SMOKING*}//but a clear third[monsmokers..died from work/exposure..*alone*
but smoking..[HAS ITS OWN NUMBERS/19.2]..PLEASE NOTE THEY ARE *lower*..numbers..but give a good examination of the result of exposure..[32 percent/non smokers/19/percent smokers..GOT PLURICY]
SMOKING PREVENTED 12 PERVENT OF PLURECY.
taKen..from/non-smoking\32%=19%/smoking*..
OR WAS PREVENTED/BY SMOKING..[PLEASE EXPLAIN IT?]
OR..THUS ONLY 12%..OF EMPHASEMA=SMOKING'RELATED'..[excluding..LOL..OTHER FACTORS-32$..TO INDUSTRY[ignoring the protected smokers.]..the
12 PERCENT tops*
AND INDUSTRY ADMITS..UP TO 30 pERCENT*y are 3 fold the problem/of\smoking
if ya dont get it
make me explain..it to ya closed minds again..surelyyou other thinkers can see?..whats going on..what do them numbers say>..32%..industry causation/dont mesh/with the opening salvo*
be fare judge the proof yourself
http://www.lung.org/lung-disease/copd/resources/facts-figures/COPD-Fact-Sheet.html
JUST REMEMBER ADMITTED =32%=INDYSTRY-DAMAGED
19 only =smokers..same polution..DIFFERENT SOLUTION.
MY FATHER DIED FROM COLLESTEROL AND BOOZE[PLEASE BE HONEST..NOW*/THEY ARE LISTENING//BY REVILING..ME YOU REVILE A BIT OF ME IN THEM THAT COULDNT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU/IT HIVES ME COMFORT CALMS ME/ tell the truth or dump ya reproof/i get that enough from my rotten famility/if only i stop smoking i can see them/well screw them/too...[where is the exit/elvis?]