Paul1405, "Simply a person can be politically progressive and conservative all depending on the particular issue, and how it gels with their particular philosophy"

Do you understand what those philosophies are though?

If honesty was to prevail, you and other very vocal 'Left' on here were clueless about Fabianism and its influence in Labor, and its sly take-over of the Labor structure, until I informed you and them on here. Then you and they disbelieved it and to use one of their favourite words, you and they were 'in denial'. I wondered at the time how you and the faux 'Left' on OLO (any real lefties would disown you all) could be so ignorant as to not even know whet they were voting for and could only arrive at the conclusion that you must rely on the spin of the political 'Progressies' aka Fabians aka International Socialists. It is funny though how you and they did not know they were voting for and spruiking the global world order of International Socialism.

You pretend that the Greens are a single voice despite the very obvious fact that they are split into warring tribes with ideologies that are chalk and cheese, and their only agreement is that they blame others. The Greens are just a protest party as Julia Gillard said.

Now you claim that the NSW 'Watermelon' faction of the Greens, comprising your claimed good mate and political featherweight, that headline-seeking fool Shoebridge and the awful Trotskyist Lee Rhiannon (Brown) are not radicals(?!), when they are trying so hard to be, and succeeding. Honestly the NSW Watermelon faction you claim to be in lock-step and matey with are as crazy as cut snakes, even madder than that, because they bite themselves as well.

OTB – Crawl back into your hole.

Paul1405 – Thankyou for your considered comments.

I agree there is little difference between the blue and red team and the majority of western systems are set up to oscillate between two similar parties. My reading is Australians are becoming increasingly uncomfortable and if the situation continues to deteriorate there will be a window of opportunity. We saw what happened when One Nation burst on to the political scene. For a proportional system to be even considered by the electorate it firstly have to be aware of it. A proportional system is not a panacea for all political ills, it merely facilitates democracy. Stable counties like New Zealand and Germany illustrate that minority government is stable and successful. I disagree that domination of a single party is required for stability.

The green team would have the most to gain from a proportional system as it would have 13 seats in the House of Representatives. For the greens to support the current preferential system not only fails Australians, democracy but the green party itself.

I believe Australians will accept a well-argued positive major change more readily than the minor ones.

Producer, "Crawl back into your hole"

The erudite Producer demonstrating his dislike for free speech.

That is what is wrong with the Greens since they lost the green environmentalism long ago and red social activism created the irreconcilable splits such as between the NSW Watermelon faction, the Sarah Hyphenated-Hyphen lunar mission, and the Milne group that heads in another direction. No longer the grinning bobble-headed Bob Brown to pretend any semblance of leadership, for Bob has his golden handshake and is away a-roving, a pirate on the Seven Seas.

Julia Gillard didn't find the Greens at all funny as her ever treacherous side-kicks though.

I have noticed on the forum, I only need to post the word "Fuhrer" and like a rat out of the cornflakes pack, up pops Beach! Like a re-run of a 1950's Sc-fi movie in which the buzz words "The Martians are coming!" were repeated over and over, with Beach its not the Martians that are about to invade the Earth, but its a case of "The Fabians are coming!" No doubt Beach "discovered" the Fabians one day whilst Googling his favorite person The Fuhrer and accidentally typed Fa instead of Fu and lone behold, what pops up The Fabians. young Beach has been mesmerised by The Fabians ever since. Unfortunately for Beach, like those 1950's Sc-fi's its all pure fiction.
Beach, you go on about me and David Shoebridge and Lee Rhiannon, when did you first realise your party leader was none other than Mr 617 votes, Jim Saleam the notorious Australia fascists. What attracts you to 'National Socialism' is it those snappy, flash black uniforms, or is it their policies, or both?

Paul1405,

LOL Everyone disregards your ridiculous flamebait.

Now what about some comments on those factions in the Greens which will come into play soon if Christine Milne takes her own advice.

<GETTING OLD: 60-year-old Christine Milne calls 59-year-old Martin Ferguson an "old-stager"

Greens party leader Christine Milne is older than retiring Labor MP Martin Ferguson and despite lots of goodwill for the long-time unionist turned highly effective and respected Resources minister who yesterday said he’d be retiring from Parliament, she felt free to slag him rather harshly and very ungraciously today:

“Frankly, I think it’s good the old-stagers of the fossil-fuel era, like Martin Ferguson, are gone,” she told Sky News on Thursday.

Nasty Christine’s intervention was a real buzz-kill given the emotional send-off Ferguson received, including from normally pugilistic Tony Abbott, who in his polite and gracious enthusiasm has argued Labor needs more MPs like traditional Labor life-long unionist and second-generation MP Martin Ferguson and no more unionist careerists like Paul Howes, whose life’s work and pro-jobs, moderate Labor values seem rather similar to Ferguson’s.

As it happens, the retiring former Minister Ferguson was born on December 12th, 1953, making him fifty-nine years young.

While Greens party boss Milne, fond of referring to the “old parties” despite being older than the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition, was born May 14th, 1953, meaning she just turned sixty.>

http://www.vexnews.com/2013/05/old-timers-60-year-old-christine-milne-calls-59-year-old-martin-ferguson-an-old-stager/

OTB – I do not consider Paul1405 flame bait; do not speak on my behalf.

Your one eyed arrogance, ill-conceived superiority and hypocrisy over shadow any legitimate debate and opinion you may have.