Dear Suse,

Some people seem to forget that both of the two
largest world religions, Christianity and Islam,
were spread largely through conquest. Christianity
was originally diseminated through western Europe
as the official religion of the Roman empire,
and then it was carried to other continents when
Europeans seized and colonized vast territories
elsewhere in the world, particularly in Africa
and the Americas. Similarly, Islam was spread
around the Mediterranean, the Middle East, and the
Near East through wars of conquest.

Indeed both religions have enjoyed immense success in
societies that their adherents have dominated politically,
while making relatively little headway elsewhere.

o SUNG WU/quoye..<<..I might remind you STEELEREDUX you've never worn a police uniform in Bankstown or any of it's environs. In fact, you've never worn a police uniform, full stop ! If you had, and it was in the Bankstown Patrol area, you would've had a first hand opportunity to witness for yourself, the verifiable consequence of 'Islamization' in that area.>>

we at olo/know..your a good copper..o..AND MAYBE EVEN chris[of the known police posters here/but you know how CHRIS has a harder edge..where you have a strict/firm..'edge'..but if your in uniform/..'they'..dont see the man..they see the uniform.

personally..i was shocked..at hoW FIRM..YOUR conviction..of racial based bias..[TP TRY TO EXPLAIN..TO A FRIEND..imagine..[one]..thought YOUR NAME JAPAnese..and we all* thought of YOU LIKE A CAMACASI BOMBER

[OR MAYBE BETTER A SAMURI..[HONOURABLE]
THING..is presumptions are wrong..maybe your parents came froM SHANGHI/OR bROOm..thing is race is the worst PREDICTOR of evil/next worst would be religion..its THE TARRING With the same unthinking brUSH COBBER.

I THOUGHT YOU FAR PAST..THAT..but that even you a good copper/thinks it..INDICATES MAYBE AN INTREBNCHED..reaction/feeding on its mutual DISRESPECT..]mate respect..is a thing earned]..you have earned ours[ok mine]..thATS WHY I WAS SO SHOKED

that reveals intrenched bias
just within my family..alone..we have extreemist [me]..down to rediciously passive..[me]..

it much depends on the face
facing my face at the time...thus is it with us all

as thyne own face reveals
mate face/honor/respect..is everything.

love you as much as i could love mine technical controler.

Foxy, you're the one who referenced the Russell quote, yet you don't even understand what he said.

He didn't say ALL conflict has ceased.
He was referring only to religious conflict, in Europe.
My God, you can't even understand your own arguments.

None of the European wars you mention had anything to do with religion.

"it conjures forth images of women behind veils, of adulterers being stoned, of theives having their hands cut off, of public floggings and executions, ... aircraft hijackings and terrorist bombings."

No "conjuring" required.
Conjuring is an illusion.
The footage and photos of these acts are real.

"what is newsworthy rather than what is typical."

So why don't we see equivalent newsworthy events by believers of other faiths with the same frequency?
Why are Muslims so prone to being "newsworthy"?

"Today, Australia is a happier land than most others."

Despite immigration, not because of it.

We were and are one of the best, because of the *people* who lived here.
You are changing the people. Expect different results in future.

SteeleRedux "Same old same old from the usual suspects, high on hysteria but short on facts."

And yourselves?
High on naivety, short on realism.

Suseonline "you would think we lived in the middle of a war zone between all the different cultures and religions of Australia."

Just wait. It's coming.

You may not see it in your gated community, but you will on the news in "those" suburbs you never visit.

Mixing people from 6000 cultures together has "Doom" written all over it.
It's laughable you cannot see how reckless that is.
Even a cursory knowledge of human nature and history should set off alarm bells.

Hi there FOXY & My good friend, ONE UNDER GOD...

Thank you Foxy for your information apropos Spain & Portugal having a successful integration programme for Islamic People. I will admit, I was totally unaware of this, particularly the success of the programme.

FOXY & ONE UNDER GOD...

Please, I would ask that neither of you seek to condemn me, for my beliefs in this instance. They're definitely not born out of any racist convictions or judgement. Merely from what I've experienced and witnessed first hand of what this country of ours, (Australia) should become if we permit any further Islamic immigration.

To be very honest with you, I myself never wore a uniform in the Bankstown Patrol area. I was a detective when assigned to that local CIB. That said, I've not only been directly involved with serious racially based crime, all grades of violence, occasioned against the person, other wanton lawlessness, and intimidation.

Further, I've also been witness to ruthless acts of overt violence, directed towards the uniformed GD patrols, together with other emergency workers, and innocent bystanders. Often the Islamic groups fight amongst each other ? Why, brokers of guns, drugs, and explosives ?

FOXY and ONE UNDER GOD, I'm being absolutely truthful with you both, about the type of often, racially based crimes of violence. I'm in no way, attempting to seek or inspire racism.

I've got no idea where either of you live, other than to suggest keep an eye on the daily (I should say 'Nightly') events occurring in and around the greater Bankstown area. You'll no doubt see, what I'm saying is the truth. I have no other way of trying to convince you of these facts.

In conclusion, we must resist at all costs, any further Islamic immigration. If not for us or our children, then our grandchildren and their children's, sake ! Ask any Sydney policeman about the conditions as I've described, seriously impacting Bankstown and it's environs ?

"However many Westerners make the mistake of equating Islam
with what they see on their TV screens and what they read
in their newspapers. They associate Islamic fundamentalism
as being the norm. They think that Islamic fundamentalism
is what all Muslims practice. It isn't. Fundamentalists
exist in all religions."

True, fundamentalism exists in all religions, but there is a vast difference in the fundamentalism as practiced by, say, Shintoists and Muslims.

This Westerner studied Islam in depth for three years at University and has continued his studies.
This Westerner has Muslim friends here and in India and the ones in India have far less pressure on them to conform to fundamental Islam than do the ones in Bankstown.
Life for them in the rapidly developing ghetto of Belmore, Punchbowl, Bankstown is becoming stifling and they are selling up and moving.
Fortunately for them they'll get a good price for there is ready money available to those Muslims that want to move there.

My Muslim friends in India are happy there, despite the occasional trouble that is whipped up by politicians, usually nominal Hindus. The one country that none of them want to even visit is Pakistan, let alone live there.
Most of the men have performed the Hajj and a lot of their women folk,
and I make it a point to find out before a visit just who has been to Mecca in the intervening time, they always appreciate being greeted by
Haji or Hajiya, as appropriate.

I have no problem with Muslims as people but I fear the presence of Islam in my country.

o sung wu,

The husband of one of my cousins was a Detective at Bankstown some twenty-five years ago and it was still relatively quiet then, possibly before your time. He retired just a few weeks after some character shot at Bankstown Police station, not that that had anything to do with him retiring, he'd reached the age.
I won't, of course, mention any names but he was a fitness 'fanatic' and swum a couple of miles every day.