Is Mise>> Have you been to Bankstown lately or any of the nearby suburbs?
Been harassed for not wearing a head scarf?<<

If you are refering to non Muslims....that's a racist cheap shot and certainly not the norm.

IM, I am against any form of “uniform” outside the usual vocations or associations.
As an example I give you Hitler whose propaganda and indoctrination of the citizens included uniforms, badges and other exterior identifiers for most of the population. They even had badges for mums who produced a certain number of offspring. Everybody felt and saw the presence of the regime every day.

My point in raising this is to draw direct comparisons of “intent” with the wearing of the burqa and the wearing of uniforms and insignia in NAZI Germany. The burqa may well have a religious function in some of the Muslim countries, but there are conflicting facts on that issue as many Muslim nations are pluralist on this issue.

But when the burqa is worn in a first world nation it is primarily a statement of “presence “and “separation” whether that is the prime intention or not. But it is certainly understood by the wearer that a statement of separation is being made. I am not saying that this statement making people will not integrate, but it will be on their terms.....and that is my issue.

Integration implies a “greater and lesser” with the lesser taking on the values of the greater, Merger implies a conjoining. This is not to say that the greater may not take on some traits from the lesser, but “take on” as opposed to “forced upon” as is the way burqas have been forced into western society.
Wearing a uniform that will identify you as different every day of your life andis a statement of group segregation.

Suseonline, keep your fingers crossed.

Not much has happened yet, because White Australians are still the majority of the population.
Wait til they get below 50% and see what happens (not long now, one or two generations).

Past immigration was very different to now.
There weren't actually very many "other" immigrants in any wave.
And there were breaks that allowed absorption, a new equilibrium.

And those that came from Europe were similar/related people, part of the same civilisation, a connected history going back 6000 years.

There were also few Asians precisely because we restricted them.
Had we not, there would indeed have been a "peril".

Now it's more like an amber peril.
In the last year, about one third of immigrants came from just two countries: India and China (over 19,000 *each*, more than double the UK's 9000, our tradition source now just 7%!).

Today's immigration is very different to the past.
Then it was overwhelmingly British, with a smattering of "others".
Now it's the exact opposite.
Don't expect the same output with different input.

Ever heard of the tipping point?
Drastic changes often occur suddenly after a long time of apparent stasis.

The dissenters here on OLO are the tip of an iceberg that will grow larger every year, as more and more Australians have bad experiences with these "others".

Then one day, the trigger event, the tipping point. BAM!
I won't be the one eating my words.

Heh, heh, Suseonline you have missed your calling with your hysterical false analogies. Lines like that would get riotous laughs and applause at a downstairs comedy club.

General Comment
What most people find so objectionable is that the Aussie public has always been denied their democratic right to be directly consulted on and to vote on:

- the 'Big Australia' (read as teaming capital cities) that we have to have; and

- the diversity-that-we-have-to-have as well.

The public have been mushroomed for years: kept in the dark and fed manure.

Foxy,

Rose coloured glasses are useful, they dim the hue of blood.

Would have been useful when viewing the scene of brutality as Muslims murdered Fusilier Lee Rigby but you ought to take them off to view this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKesjMICq0

Dear o sung wu,

What a crock as usual.

I am not an apologist or a propagandist for anything. It is a patently idiotic line. For instance when I defended stress leave for policemen impacted while doing their duty did I then become an “apologist and propagandist” for them?

What I am standing against is racial incitement which you and others on this forum are so keen to propagate.

I don't want the 'Go back to where you came from' mantra spruiked here to become the norm.

I don't want to see more of this;
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hawthorn-fan-kicked-out-of-aurora-stadium-after-majak-daw-racist-slur/story-fni5ezdm-1226834217493

Where I see injustice I tend to push back.

Then you deliver this sterling piece;

“I might remind you STEELEREDUX you've never worn a police uniform in Bankstown”

and then admit neither had you.

Well mate have you lived within predominately Muslim communities overseas? Have you interacted on a social level with Muslim families? Played with Muslim children your own age? Gone to schools where a large proportion of the student population was Muslim?

What about nowadays, do you spend a weeks of your year mixing with a sizable group of young adults of which the majority are Muslim? In fact do you mix socially with Muslims in any shape or form?

I have and I do mate. I find them on the whole to be as relaxed interacting with me as I am with them. Jokes freely made, ready laughter, good natured banter, same concerns about family and work, same aspirations, human beings like the rest of us. People I am more than happy defending from what gets spewed out on threads like this.

Dear Is Mise,

You seemed to have dropped one. Here you go;

“Started by inaccurate link – check”

Why hasn't Banjo apologised for posting that link?

“"One example being in 2010 it was revealed that over 50% of Muslim men and over 75% of Muslim women were economically inactive in the UK."

Thanks to Pericles for so effectively trashing it. No doubt others on here will still be recycling through their racist forums.

Look it is okay to express the opinion that immigration rates are too high in this country, or that certain groups may well be facing greater challenges than others, but when you ramp up 'fear and loathing' in my country then expect a response.

Dear Belly,

You keep banging on about 'the Australian majority'. In my sister's town this week they had a public forum on 'A More Humane Refugee Policy'. Over 700 people turned up. Quite extraordinary. You might be vocal but you certainly ain't the majority mate.