Paul1405,

So you now concede that many Labor leaders in recent times were Fabians?

Your new tack is to minimise, but you still haven't dealt with the essential issue which is that the Fabians aka 'Progressives' aka International Socialists control the Labor Party. That is something you previously denied.

Also, there is the not so small fact that the Greens are constantly undermining and white-anting Labor. You should take credit for that on behalf of the Greens. BTW, how is that Greens mate you claim, the featherweight Shoebridge?

Beach, you failed to address the question I posed about the "societies","institutes" "pressure groups" whatever you wish to call them, are any members fascists? Are any members also members of the Liberal Party? What is the the relationship between the extreme right wing neo-fascists of the H R Nicholls Society and the Liberal Party? How much control does the Catholic Church have over active member Abbott. Is Australia's attitude/policy to asylum seekers determined by the Pentecostal Church through active member Immigration Minister Morrison? Plenty of questions there for you Beach.
Beach, you draw a long bow, Labor Party, Fabians, Progressives, International Socialist agenda controlling the Labor Party. Nothing has changed from the days when people such as yourself would make the outlandish claim that the Labor Party was "controlled" from Moscow. you suffer colour paranoia.
Switch colour to green. Greens white ant Labor you say it as if its a fact. The Liberal Party is under the control of the 5% Cow Cocky Nationals! Then you throw in an irrelevant question about David Shoebridge. I assume David is fine on this sunny Sunday morning.
How many hours a week does your very own Miss Marple (Ms Amy McGrath) spend looking under beds for "REDS"? Do you give up your time to assist Miss Marple in her lifelong quest to flush out "REDS" from under those beds? Looking forward to your answers

Having made a stand for honest reform including outing of our criminals our selves exposing them to the air as we should its time to consider.
No doubt at all I am irking some posters,with my entrenched belief Abbott is not the man to lead this country.
Even less doubt my true convictions Murdock is behind every move this government take to murder the ABC.
I ask for considered thought here, are my words any worse than the extremist posting in this thread?
Can it be that this country shifted so far in just a few months?
Do posters truly think voters on voting expected Holden to leave SPC to be knocked back.
Did they call for ABC to be culled on behalf of Murdock?
Then why are the polls running so consistently against Abbott.
*Are we in this country so entrenched in the way we vote we let the unfortunate truths about our side stay under our protection but slavishly hurl insults at the other side for their faults*.
I have here put the reason my union movement is going to die,without its self confronting its crimes against membership.
And hinted at the over control that movement has in Labor right faction.
Do to days generation of Liberals feel any need for concern at the move away from true Liberalism we are seeing?
Australian voters are not extremists not left not right they want the middle ground .
They will know it is far from the direction we are taking.
Good unions exist not talking to those who are not unionist ,telling them the truth the good the bad and the CFMEU is self mutilation leading to death, change is a promise not a threat.
In I think 1996 the convoy to Canberra other unions climbed on the buses while CFMEU members smashed the glass entrance to again do great harm to us all, we have too many unions in this country.

Paul1405,

What is astounding is that there are regular posters on here, some who have been posting for many years and holding forth on politics, who admitted as you have that were clueless, blissfully ignorant, about the takeover of Labor by the Fabians aka 'Progressives' aka International Socialists.

You obviously had to Google to find out about the Fabians aka 'Progressives' aka International Socialists. Rather taken aback and left stumbling by the surprise truths you were oblivious of before, you are now trying to divert attention away from the subject. Honestly, why wouldn't you be upset instead about the wool that has been pulled over your eyes by people like Julia Gillard? Who is the bigger fool, yourself and the sheep-like soldiers who believed the Labor myth, or 'Progressives' like Julia Gillard who now resides in a $2million bungalow and enjoys the best golden handshake for any politician the world over?

One long term poster stated that she had no idea that the Fabians even existed. Yet the senior Labor figures she supported and practically draws her reason for living from have been talking up the ideology of political 'Progressivism' for years. What was she voting on? Must have been emotion, because any rational adult would look deeper than the spin.

Belly was shocked and disappointed by the revelations. But how could he be when so many senior Labor figures, including the sly and superficial Bill Shorten have been beavering away for years shortening (heh, heh) up Labor values and installing Fabianism instead? Any wonder there was always a poor match between what the Labor leaders espoused to members and their decisions/policy in office.

Another thing, why hasn't the publicly-funded national broadcaster, the ABC, ever produced a 'fact paper' or done any expose on this? They have had years to do it, but no-one including the smug Tony Jones (Q&A) has ever wrinkled a brow about it. Simply amazing!

Belly,

The 'Progressives' who have a monkey grip on Labor are far too smart, smarmy and devious for the ordinary people who make up membership of unions and Labor to deal with.

With respect, you yourself are easily manipulated on this site by anyone who would flatter you, but are manipulating you along 'Progressive' policies instead. Fat lot they care about your unions and Labor, except to manipulate them towards the end they want, which is global control through International Socialism. The reality is that 'Progressives' always presume to know what is best for you and that justifies their totalitarianism. It is why they will never permit Labor members to elect leaders, except for the sham polling they introduced. Clever!

The Fabians are serious when they say they are the 'Wolves in Sheep's Clothing' and you are an easy dupe - all it takes is to give you Abbott instead as your 'enemy'. You prefer not to think, for the soldiers, thinking hurts. They much prefer mantras and glib assurances. Whereas Abbott is far closer to traditional Labor values than sly poseurs like Gillard and Shorten and the political 'Progressives' know that.

I will never even consider talking to you rant on!