Belly, I totally support you in your argument about dealing with union illegality. As you know how vocal I have been about Thomson and Williamson and their criminality when it came to the HSU. I think this is much larger and I have posted elsewhere my view, copied it below;

"The Abbott agenda on this is to do some political point scoring at a huge cost to the taxpayer. He and his government have no interest in the welfare of building industry workers. Because if they did they would be calling for a much broader inquire into the building industry in general. Inquiring into both the sleazy practices of unions and employers, with reference to the illegalities of developers and government. Here in NSW you have to question how come 98% of development gets the O'Farrell rubber stamp. I don't think things are much different in other conservative states like Newman Queensland. Grease the "right" palms and the blind eye will quickly be turned and the sky's the limit, literally."

On another subject, I note your not posting responses to our very own resident "Rasputin" and his Labor Party conspiracy. I'm still not convinced its not a gee up, its so far off the planet it might be. Anyway I think I have shot him down in a screaming heap, can't answer a question and "speaks in tongues" for all of us, amazing."

Paul1405,

Along with Belly and a couple of others, you were originally ignorant of the existence of the Fabians aka 'Progressives aka International Socialists. You had to Google. Nevertheless you denied any influence of the Fabians in Labor and of course there couldn't be any Fabian leaning ALP leaders. Remarkably, you have all been supporting Labor leaders who had a secret you were ignorant of, which was their allegiance to the Fabians, and in the case of Ms Gillard and her Left Labor womyn 'networking' mates, to the policies of the Emily's Listers as well.

Amazing how none of you ever picked up on any of that. You never noted the frequent use and emphasis on the word 'Progressive', which continues to be used often by key Labor figures, by Shorten too. Used often by some key ABC journos too, a coincidence no doubt.

It is all 'Progressive this and Progressive that' - 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink', say no more! However, despite your years of support of things far Left, for Labor and their looney side-kicks the treacherous Greens, not one of you ever twigged to the fabian influence in Labor! Honestly, don't any of you ever read any of that bumpf you link to and spout? Other posters could answer that question for you, because you do come up with very odd and conflicting opinions.

A case of the lights being 'on', but no-one at home? LOL

Paul1405, you claim to be matey with NSW Greens' political featherweight Shoebridge. One would think that he might know about the Fabians, but obviously not. The NSW Greens are self-preoccupied Watermelons though and are not that aware of what is happening in the real world.

Now, rather than admit your ignorance you are flailing about with ad hominem, diversions and continued denial. All despite the compelling evidence of Julia Gillard speaking in a video that was her idea (linked earlier, but given again below to help you remember). Here you go,

@ 0:45 and on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhvuR05ZNUY

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/union-ties-hurting-labor-party-with-voters-reachtel-poll-finds-20140202-31v5h.html
The link highlights many truths.
One is the sheer insanity of thinking words of comfort will heal the wounds constant revelations like this threads subject bring.
The sheer ignorance of thinking containment can be done by sticking our heads in the sand.
And as no party ever has so many slings and arrows thrown at it from our past ,even things that never happened.
Here is the very guts of it, to continue to do the same things the same way and get it wrong is insanity.
Union heads must see great damage is being done to the ALP by their actions.
In doing that slumbering unions betray both their members and the ALP
Normal folk will think reform is now certain,after three plus of total betrayal of membership.
Not so! that filthy blanket thrown over the dirt solidarity is a bar to reform

Beach.
"you were originally ignorant of the existence of the Fabians aka 'Progressives aka International Socialists" Again speaking for me and speaking for others. The Fabian Society is as old as the hills, its an open society and basically anyone can join, but I'm not to sure if they would want you and Ms Fruitcake as members, but then you could have some comedy value, I may even be a member, as far a you know. However, I much prefer 'Politics in the Pub' and yes I am a member of a few orgs, clubs and a union, as is my partner, not just The Greens. When will you be answering my questions? I didn't listen to your Gillard youtube again, its boring, was that you asking the fab question? I always found Gillard talking so boring, now your Ms Fruitcake, on the other hand, she's a crack up.
So far I have treated your posts on this with mild amusement.

Beach, was that clunker asking Gillard the Fab question the same clunker, Andrew Middleton, who stood at 2010 election as a "climate septic" and got about 500 votes out of 87,000, hum should run on the Ms Marple 'Reds Under The Beds' Ticket and score even less votes.

Paul1405,

How could you, Belly, Foxy et al all be marching linked arm to arm to the same tune, hurling your Left invective at all comers as you go, but none of you twigged that the political 'Progressives' aka Fabians aka International Socialists had done a sly takeover of Labor years ago?

Then at elections there you were, pencil stub in hand voting 1 above the line for a Labor Party ruled by union thugs and 'Progressives'? Some combine both secondary agendas.

All the self-titled 'Progressives' ever had to do was continually wave someone like Abbott in front of you and as dutiful attack dogs you have always done the greyhound+rabbit thing and run off chasing. While all of the time the 'Progressives' in Labor - mainly the fake Left chard-quaffing-comfortably-off-types in the public service and academia, the educated middle class that swings Labor social policy - were bending you over and giving your Labor/Left values a solid rogering with the proverbial pineapple.

How could you never have realised? Now it is far too late.

It is interesting that one distinguishing feature of all of the Labor leaders, their advisers and the media commentators who identify as 'Progressives' is that they all know how to live. They all enjoy the good life of the millionaires and entrepreneurs they claim to spurn. Take ex-PMs like Hawke and Gillard for example. They came to the job with modest means but they suddenly became millionaires who enjoyed the high life and especially travelling abroad, rubbing shoulders with the big knobs and international celebrities. 'Progressives' are social butterflies it appears and enjoy the best hotels and champus. They like to be waited upon. How does that all work?

But you were oblivious to the takeover. Even while traditional Labor values and policy were being discarded. The angry takeover of Labor is complete. You lost and they don't mind rubbing it in with all of that 'Progressive' language. 'Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more' and you never woke to it. However the treacherous Greens who continually white-ant Labor would not mind at all.