Foxy,
You mean the greed of the elite 15% of workers whose selfishness and $100,000 plus salaries are hurting the prospects of others in the labour market? Do you know what the median income for non union tradesmen is? Last time I checked it was $58,000, for unionists it's over 90 and they do almost no work compared to independents and non union employees. Unionism is a racket, a gang activity, they don't even really try to recruit anymore because that might tend to affect their elite status and their bottom line, god help them if men of conscience ever got their foot in the door.

JOM, Foxy,Paul, thanks for thoughtful and true posts I agree with each of you.
For me however it is vital folk know I put this thread up *because of my love for the union movement, and too my fear/belief it has stopped listening to its members.
Well yes JOM I did face a Commenchero in my area, he became a member and staunch one of my union and I made him delegate.
I never endorsed a delegate who was not trusted to remain civil and see as much as possible both sides.
Revulsion? if only!
If only the top ten in any union could understand hiding the filth never works, and too the damage done *forever* as some are so upset they leave the union movement.
I do not blame them, I unlike too many know their thoughts and share most of them.
In the end hiding the true nature of the CFMEU is not solidarity it questions the intelligence of the average union member insulting them on the way.
Recruitment will rise if we win back the trust of the only people that matter, union members.
Paul I am proud of your true old fashioned solidarity, but know mate we sat in those chairs as union officers saying we would leave the movement better than we found it.
Tell me that is true of the HSU or CFMEU and the unions it swallowed upon its way to being our biggest group of thugs?
I have more from on the job actions next time.

Dear Jay,

I'll repeat what I've said in the past.

We are in critical times and Australia requires a
re-assessment of the relationship
between labour and capital,
a re-assessment which takes into account
the politics of industrial
democracy, profit, and long-term planning. What we don't
need is the "kick-the-worker-today-and-take-the-money-tomorrow"
attitude that comes from the Cold War warriors who are
currently at work around the place.

The only way in which this country can work properly is for
management and labour to co-operate with one another,
not condemn one another. But the sad truth is that
condemnation is the only language that some people appear to
understand. Take this quote from the Peko-Wallsend boss
Charles Copeman:

"It isn't a matter for conciliation, it's a matter
for arbitration. We are not prepared to conciliate!"

Obviously the inevitable expansion of capital
with its attendant social inequality and natural
destruction brooks no interference and allows for no
moral judgements.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-28/union-accused-of-ties-to-crime-figures-kickbacks-for-jobs/5221234
The kink in part from the source of this story is worth a read.
Let me say it is far from the first time this union has been called to answer charges like this.
Just once I hope the whole truth followed by prison terms is unmasked.
And that the Ostriches in this and other industry unions come to understand *this behavior is the very stuff we fought bosses for*
The so called AWU fraud it is said Gillard had at least some part in was based on just this, employers being blackmailed to keep trading.
And at the other end criminals buying union favor, *at a loss to that unions members* so underpaid workers could be ripped of by that criminal sponsored by? they very union they thought was looking after them.
A tragic side issue is the thugs and mugs union in doing filthy deals with that filthy boss got promises the betrayed workers WOULD BE FORCED TO JOIN THAT UNION!

Foxy, "Obviously the inevitable expansion of capital with its attendant social inequality and natural destruction brooks no interference and allows for no moral judgements."

That is another cut and paste. It is from a post you made on a different thread some time ago. Perhaps others can remember similar from threads prior to that.

It is absolute rot, meaningless gibberish. Where do you get that twisted stuff, the Green Left Weekly?

Beach, the CFMEU and the Commancheros donate exactly the same amount of money to The Greens as they do to The Liberal Party. I can't speak for the ALP.

"You mean the 15% of the workforce who belong to unions" Jay could you please provide a link to back that up.

Belly I warned you! Your thread would bring out the Right Wing Raving Rat Bags and they certainly haven't disappointed, goose stepping all over this one. For them its the next best thing to listing to a Fuhrer speech from Nuremberg.