Beach, A used car salesman bought 21 copies of the old fools book. What did he do with them, give a free copy to every customer he ripped off?
This must be a gee up, thanks Beach a good bit of comedy, does that woman also do a Miss Marple?
"He started GetUp with $1500, ar, oh, um $1.5 million"
Listening to the old fool you would think The Fabian Society must hold their AGM at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, with her name dropping everyone who's anyone is a member. can you furnish a list of Non-Fabian Society members, it would be shorter!

Thanks Foxy, your heart is big, wellaware of that Paul is currently in that fly trap.
8 years and a bit have seen my posting here.
And very often threads I posted demand better from my party and my union movement.
No one can claim to have seen a thread maybe even a single post highlighting Liberal wrongs from that side of the fence.
I have watched the trolls, no way am I claiming all Liberals are trolls come and go.
The worst have common faults, lack of ability to win debates leads all too soon to insults.
I rest easy, never [Labor 2010/2013 did it] have I seen a Liberal government being so self destructive .
And destruction it will be freedom of the press will be bigger than work choices.
Anti worker/wages too.
Murdock/Abbott PTY LTD is about to be seen world wide and is far Worse than any so called crime Labor has been said to be involved in.
Strap in seat belt on, Abbott is now only a fill in PM he will not last his first term.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-union-movement-is-facing-tough-times-20140131-31sb7.html
Even if it is the last post in this thread my posted link demands attention.
It openly talks of truths and public percepts wrong ones at times.
But hidden in a wrong culture, one anchored in a past that is long gone solidarity needs reinventing.
It currently is a meaningless chant not remotely linked to its past meaning.
For *&^% sake! these are crimes against the very people unions existed once, to protect and help.
Like some in the ALP an element of internalism, hunker down and take no action exists.
Betraying both and those who thought both existed for them.
It is long over due the change and new mission statements are spoken of, do not defend the filth, be the first to expose them!.
A reminder is due it is not our fellow travelers we need to tell the whole truth to, but those we know will do it if we do not.
Current self satisfied views telling the internals the truth is enough, thinking the out sidrs have no right to know is killing my union movement.
Putting our arm over the shoulder of the CFMEU and saying she,l be right brother is sinking a knife in to true rank and file unionism's heart.
Please find the guts the heart the idealism, that those who came before us had, they expected better from us this generation is sliding us down ever time they call for solidarity built on a shambles of crime and thuggish behavior.

Dear Belly,

Beautifully put.

You express the ideals and values that
are well worth aspiring to for the bettwrment
of us all.

Belly, I know from your posts, you are a person of ideals, passion and commitment, a bloke who believes in a fair go for all, the rights of the common man. These things are worth more than money, that are what makes a truly good bloke, enough of this pissing in your pocket stuff, but I sincerely believe them to be true, I hope you stick with you beliefs, and hold on to your principles till the end of your days.
I opened your link and sadly what do I see first, the images of Thomson and Williamson and having said what I did about you above, none of it applies to these two grubs, and a few other low life's I could mention. They are the antithesis of everything good about the union movement and the truly committed people involved, past and present. It highlights every thing wrong in the movement from the recent past to today. The chart that shows membership at 40% in 1992 to less than 20% today, a sad indictment indeed. These people do far more damage to the movement and the people it represents, than any boss, any Abbott or any rabid anti worker can ever do, they destroy the soul of the movement.
Fortunately that are not indicative of ALL within the movement but a scumbag minority and hopefully through the efforts and commitment of people of goodwill, the movement will eventually be restored to its rightful place as a champion of the working men and women of this country.
Belly take care and stay true to what you believe. As one of those Little Green Pixie's, I might not always be popular, but I can sleep at night satisfied that what I believe in is good and just.

Paul1405,

What you are concerned to hide is that senior Labor figures past and present openly boast of their Fabian and 'Progressive' leanings, and even of their International Socialist ideology. The nudge, nudge, wink, wink, key word 'progressive' is woven into almost every public statement and policy.

Shorten and other sly operators should re-name Labor, the Fabian, 'Progressive' or International Socialist Party. Because that is what they are about and their takeover of Labor is complete.

Your denial is ridiculous. But why do you bother unless you reckon it is something to conceal? Wouldn't do to let the Labor membership into the secret. But then again, the Labor membership don't elect their leaders do they? The Fabians have weighted the vote to knee-cap the members who must either suck it up or leave, in some cases after giving decades of loyal support.

As a Green you would be digging holes under Labor anyhow. That is the way of the Greens - treachery - as recent 'partnership' with Labor in government has shown, federally and in Tasmania.