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Michael Bachelard - Asylum seekers tricked by navy. Jan 5th

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I'm not using words to suit some sort of "agenda"
Foxy,
No matter how hard you push your feel-good compassion the people arriving by boat are the forerunners as part of the agenda.
There won't be any warm', fuzzy outcome & the likes of you will be the first & loudest to call for help but it'll be too late.
I dearly wish people like you could just for a small little moment see the situation as it really is instead of fighting those whom you'll later call on for help, real Australians who have the interest of Australia at heart. It's bad enough some are quite willing to sell this country off but to betray your own country so you can feel good is another thing.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 25 January 2014 9:43:27 PM
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Belly,
Sorry, you have the wrong boats, the Tampa was a container ship that picked up people off a sinking over crowded boat and she was hijacked and forced to go to Christmas Island. The government would not let them land and eventually the illegals were off loaded and taken by navy ship to Nauru. The conduct of the illegals on board the navy ship was disgusting. My only criticism here is that some of the illegals should have been charged with hijacking. We were too soft.

The SIEV X was an over crowded illegals vessel that sank off in Indonesian waters and some 350 drowned. That Tony Kevin, Marilyn Sheperd and Co tried to make out we sabotaged the boat and that our navy came past in the night, shone a floodlight on those in the water and left. It was the same as the new story of burnt hands by the illegals who get here by lying and cheating.

Yeah, Reith exagerated a later event by showing earlier photos of kids that had been dropped in the water and he paid the penalty for that. The irony here was that he did not have to as the illegals sank the boat later and they all ended up in the water anyway, and had to be rescued.

The illegals used a method of sinking their boat so we had to rescue them. In one event they blew up the boat and some died and unfortunately some of our sailors were injured as well.

Anyway we can now look forward to the end of the problem, by taking away the incentive to come here. I have said many times, don't give them what they seek and they will stop coming. I still think a detention centre on Macquarie Island would be a good move. Don't see why the climate has to be tropical.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 25 January 2014 10:57:52 PM
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Even the term "feel good" or the commonly used "Warm fuzzies" are debatable.
Invocation of universal human rights is an initiation of the use of force, therefore an act of aggression.
The universal declaration of human rights was a reaction to Nazism, that's it's context, it's a checklist of conditions which must be met before initiation of the use of force by it's signatories.
When governments, civilian organisations or even individuals choose not to respect universal human rights or even choose not to promote them they render themselves liable to an aggressive and forceful reaction from those who've sworn to uphold the treaty.
Similarly activating universal human rights treaties, especially in the context of this discussion is also an initiation of the use of force, Australians have no say in the matter of immigration because it's been made an exceptional issue, collusion between political parties has resulted in the denial of the people's opportunity to consent, this means all the actions being taken in regard to the makeup of the population are achieved by forceful means.

When a human rights advocate uses the epithet "Racist" they are calling for the accused person to be stripped of their civil rights and treated as an exceptional case, once again they seek to initiate the use of force. Why is this so? Universal human rights are a reaction to Nazism against which total war was necessary and once military victory had been achieved the Nazi leadership and the SS were stripped of their civil rights and deemed culpable organisations.
That's exactly the fate of anyone branded a "Racist" these days, loss of civil rights, no presumption of innocence and automatic culpability followed by exceptional remedies under law.
Don't be fooled, there's nothing warm and fuzzy about human rights advocates, they'll initiate the use of force on the flimsiest pretext and often in pre-emptive actions designed to intimidate and silence their enemies, anything from Twitter smear campaigns to Predator drones.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 25 January 2014 10:58:00 PM
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Foxy,
A couple of points, You wrote, "The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions, such as entering a country without a visa, should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum".

That is correct, but that does not make the entrance legal, it is simply that we do not prosecute if the person claims asylum.

You also said, "This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as illegal, as they in fact
have a right to enter Australia to seek asylum"

Now this is not correct. No non-citizen has a RIGHT to enter without a valid visa. As I said many time it is the sole reason we can lock them up, as the are unlawful entrants, persons that arrive with a visa and apply for asylum are free to go about their business. The UN alsostates that intending asylum seekers must obey a countries laws.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 26 January 2014 8:38:41 AM
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Banjo sorry I am fully aware of both boats and the events sounding them.
My view while different than yours remains an honest view.
I however see needless attempts to incriminate our Navy personnel getting a life here.
Holding the view I do about those boats,and the international headlines they bought think we need to highlight this event never took place as described.
How many sailors, aware of the international focus on our boat people problem would wound refugees in such a way?
I feel I am like my country, a victim of a UNHCR intent on enforcing in part a one world one people policy.
Only pain can come at this time in our history from that act of international sabotage.
UNHCR at the least should let us pick who comes
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 26 January 2014 8:42:50 AM
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Well said Jay.

As regards the Children Overboard. I was talking to a Navel Officer & a couple of Sailors one ANZAC Day about that incident. They were involved in the pick up. They said that the children were thrown overboard. The rest was a political mind game played out between the Greens, LNP & the ALP. They were paraded on the Deck of their Ship & told to deign it happened, something about International Relations.

They were Pi$$ed off about it.

Belly: How many sailors, aware of the international focus on our boat people problem would wound refugees in such a way?

You are right. The sailors are read the "Code of Conduct" before they leave their ship, so they know the rules. This is a beat up by Greens & Advocate Groups claiming, "Military", therefore "Brute".
Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 26 January 2014 9:46:19 AM
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