Yuyutsu, "What were Australian navy vessels doing so far away, nearer to Indonesia, in the first place?"

Taxis called by the other end of the smuggling gangs in Australia.

Which is why the 'other end' of the criminal trade in Australia would very much like the government to give a running account of where the patrol boats are and what smugglers' boats have been intercepted.

Here is a nice little exercise for the good folk here.

Would you support the setting up of a processing centre in Indonesian where those trying to get to Australia could come and get safe passage either to Manus Island or Nauru?

It appears most of the refugees who are still making the perilous journey are doing so in full knowledge that they will be taken there anyway but are willing to risk their lives and face a future of indeterminate period of detention. This sound like the actions of mostly desperate people not the 'free loaders' you lot appear so keen to want to portray them as.

Or do you want the perilous journey to be part of the deterrence?

Dear jodeline,

“The one in place is seemingly successful, a huge expense to us though and one the Indonesian government are not impressed by, especially when we scare them with our big ships returning their absconding people to them.”

What an vacuous and petty statement to make. Made even more so because of the fact the Indonesians have nearly 30% more tonnage of Naval Vessels than Australia. While we might have 1 more Frigate, 12 to their 11, they have 56 Corvettes to our 14 and 10 Patrol boats to our 6.

Abbott is playing a dangerous game just to soothe the insecurities of people like yourself. I for one hardly think it's worth it.

Jodelle, there's a simple explanation for the gender imbalance.
Men of fighting age, normally ages 15-60 are overwhelmingly the victims of all wars and oppressive regimes, that's why we see so many men adrift in the world.
Why do you think the "Bleeding Hearts" always use pictures of women and children to sell their viewpoint and why are so many on the other side so against refugees?
The answer is "Because Men".
Conservatives and Leftists both share one fundamental characteristic, misandry expressed as the "Women and children first" meme.
Men of fighting age from war torn areas are the group most in need of protection, that's a fact that's lost in this debate.
Here, have an objective and heavily footnoted link:
http://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2013/07/11/male-victimhood-in-armed-conflict/

steelie: Would you support the setting up of a processing centre in Indonesian.

Too right I would, but only so the Indonesians can send those people without papers back to where they come from. If they have no papers then they must have arrived in Indonesia illegally. As the Indo's are not a party to the farce of a Convention they can send them back, as they should. Not unload them onto Australia.

Steelie: This sound like the actions of mostly desperate people not the 'free loaders' you lot appear so keen to want to portray them as.

Desperate enough to place their hands on a hot manifold then say the sailors did it. Desperate enough to say the sailors hit them on their heads with the soles of their shoes. A Middle Eastern very offensive Custom not an Australian one. No Navy personnel would take his boots off whilst on duty, let alone hit someone on the head with them. A very obvious lie.

Steelie: 10 Patrol boats to our 6.

& just where did they get those Patrol Boats from. let me show you.

KRI Sibarau. ex HMAS Bandolier.
KRI Siliman. ex HMAS Archer.
KRI Sigabu. ex HMAS Barracade.
KRI Silea. ex HMAS Acute.
KRI Siribua. ex HMAS Bombard.
KRI Sikuda. ex HMAS Attack.
KRI Sigurat. ex HMAS Assail.
KRI Tenggiri. Ex HMAS Ardent.

Actually it will be good to see the Indo's bring the Patrol boats out of Harbour for once. After all that's what the Patrol Boats were given to them for.
Now if they placed each in Sumer Bay, Murara Binuangeun, Citauteuren, Pengandaran & Sindangharta, they could cover most of the places where the boats leave from. Their Navel People could make a fortune in bribes & escort them out to the 12 Nm limit.

Steelie: I for one hardly think it's worth it.

I hardly think your "Worth it" counts.

If these people had papers before they left & didn't have them when they are picked up then obviously they are lying to our Government & should be sent home regardless of their claims.

Yes well, it should be a welcomed change from being shot at! Don't you think!

SteelRedux. Alright the last sentence was made a little in jest. 'What an vacuous +petty statement' by me. The offending sentence was infact inferring that the All Powerful Government we are apparently trying to work with would be less intimidated by kid on a boogie board.
No doubt they have a monumentally impressive fleet of war ships and aircraft. Thats definitely engaging the big gunns!
FYI I have never been a racist person and treat all humans as exactly that, from then on rely on my own judgment.
Having been bought up in a non warring country, do feel a slight intimidation that war hardened, extremists may deceivingly enter our communities.
And there it is again 'people like you'. If you would care to elaborate id like to understand what you mean. I think 'the soothing of the little insecurities of people like me' (phew not just me)is hardly the issue and recall no 'soothing' as Abbott is none the wiser.
I do think a process centre in Indonesia would be very beneficial. Genuine refugees who have ID and not ten grand for some opportunist in a leaky boat, detention centers even unnecessary, could be processed happily, knowing they finally get the chance to escape this dismal place of death and suffering. Thats a good day for all!

Jay. Thank you for clarifying the gender thing for me. Been niggling at me for ages.