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New Marriage laws for the ACT

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the sweach term
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cana+wedding+gay&

yeilds

many posts re canada gays
but..here is one that mentions gay

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=663

For God, it is very clear what marriage is. When Christ was asked by a lawyer about whether divorce was possible, Jesus gave a clear teaching about the real meaning of marriage that is as relevant to the debate about whether homosexuals can marry as it was to the subject of divorce-and-remarriage.

If Jesus were to testify up on Beacon Hill before our legislators about the meaning of marriage,hewould..say

"Have you not read that in the beginning God 'made them male and female,' and said, 'for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?

So they are..no longer two,[parents]..but one flesh.[child]
Therefore what..God has joined together,..let no one separate."

In this teaching of Jesus..who is the Truth incarnate,
who is our..teacher..and knows how..and for what..the human person is made,..who loved all of us enough to die out of love for us..we see four things..that are relevant..to our debate:

a).."In the beginning,..God made them male and female."
There is great meaning..to our masculinity..[life-giver]and femininity[motherhood/co-creating]..in God's plan.

God didn't...clone Adam,..or use/doner-eggs/sperm/
but..made Eve, who..was equal to him,,not..only..in dignity,..but complementary.

b).."For this reason..a man shall leave his mother*..and father
and cling..to his wife."..God's plan..is not that..a man leave his parents..and cling to whomever..he wants,..*but to cling to a wife.

c).."The two shall become..*one flesh."..This refers more than merely to their sharing a CHILD*..together..and temporarily joining their bodies physically..in the act of..*making-love,..because that act is just temporary.[but..the blessings/eternal..

God wanted..from the beginning..a more permanent union,
"so they..are no longer two,..but one flesh."..in..billions..of bodies..yet all..of one earth/mother...hjerself sustained/living..by the fathers light/logic/love..into life[love-living]

The way..this occurs..is in a child,..who is..the..embodied enduring union..of the flesh..and the man..and the woman and..blessed by God with the infusion..of an immortal soul.

This one-flesh..union in children "made in love"
is..for Christ,[love]..our Creator[life]..and our Savior,[logic]
as integrally..a part of the essence..of marriage.

[any marriage..with blessed fruits...[atonemment/at-one-meant*]
the fruits affirm..the union*
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 7 November 2013 12:00:26 PM
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Dear Paul,

There isn't any evidence that Jesus was gay the same as
there isn't any evidence that Jesus was married even though
the writer Dan Brown, who wrote the bestselling novel,
"The Da Vinci Code," tells us that Jesus was in fact
married to the woman we know as Mary Magdalene. That they
had a child together and that this "truth" was covered up by
the church for self-serving reasons. Some people believe
in fiction. Especially when taken in context that during
the times in which Jesus lived, Jewish men in Jesus' day
did marry, especially those who were considered to be Rabbis.

I guess I'll have to read the book, "Joshua, The Man They
Called Jesus," by Ian Jones and try to find out more
on the subject. Ian Jones apparently has had a lifetime
fascination with the story of Jesus.
Jones has had a long career as an award-winning film and
television producer, director and screenwriter, who's woven
a second vocation as a historian. Recognised as an authority
on the life and times of Ned Kelly, and as a military
historian specialising in the Australian Light Horse of
World War I. His book on Jesus follows Jones' highly
successful biography, "Ned Kelly: A Short Life."
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 7 November 2013 3:49:37 PM
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Danielle, they crucified Jesus because of his homosexuality and teachings, how more "unpleasant consequences" could you imagine.
Is Mise: "Paul,How about a couple of scholarly references?" Are not the words of Matthew, Mark, Luck and John sufficient.
What about that 1st century Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus who refers to the stoning of "James the brother of Jesus". What was the penalty in 1st century Judea for homosexually? Stoning.
The Jewish Pharisees questioned Jesus at length about his beliefs and teaching, the conservative Pharisees were shocked by Jesus and his liberal philosophy on social and moral issues.
Foxy, I offer hard evidence of the homosexuality of Jesus. Can anyone here point to any evidence Jesus was a heterosexual?
I found a link that lists Jesus as the number one, most influential homosexual of all times and that list included Alexander The Great and Walt Disney, unfortunately I can't find my link at the moment, but when I do I'll post it for all to see.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 7 November 2013 7:17:51 PM
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Foxy,

Thank you, I'll read the work recommended by you with interest.

Another two excellent works are:

“Trial of Jesus of Nazareth” by the late Professor S.G.F. Brandon, a theologian. This work is rigorously researched and impeccably documented. Brandon had impressive qualifications in Comparative Religion. He also presented significant lectures: Wilde lectures at Oxford, Forwood lectures at Liverpool. Not only was he a member of Studiorum Novi Testamenti Societas, but also of the Society for Old Testaments Study; and the International Society for the Study of Time.

The other is "Jesus' Attitude toward the Law: a study of the Gospels" by William Loader, also a theologian.
Posted by Danielle, Thursday, 7 November 2013 7:47:33 PM
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Paul1405 loves reading and believing homosexual fanciful writings that deliberately set out to discredit Christian objections to homosexuality. It soothes his conscience and gives him reason to reject the real Jesus. Is Paul a closet homosexual? There is a guy in my community with the car number plates PAUL1405. Is he the same person? Questions?
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 7 November 2013 8:10:02 PM
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jesus sexuality.is irrelevant..
so..any debate=really de-bait..[ie mass debait*ed]
https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=1431

Typically, these books begin by dispensing in one way or another with the five explicit biblical injunctions against homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10).

Some carefully attempt to explain away the passages in question, blaming the sexual biases of the ancient world for adversely influencing the Bible writers, while others dismiss the offending verses with a simple wave of the hand. After dealing with the negative commands, these scholars turn to the gospel narratives to develop their own “reading” of the traditional Gospel story. Jesus’ life is deconstructed to shed “new light” on His attitude toward same-sex relationships and His own homosexuality—postmodern hermeneutics at their best.

Despite a complete absence of biblical support for their thesis, most of these liberal scholars do not have to read very far to find what they are looking for (in the jargon of biblical interpretation, this is known as eisegesis).

British homosexual advocate Peter Tatchell summed up one popular position in a 1998 press release:

We don’t know for sure whether Jesus was straight, gay, bisexual or celibate. There is certainly no evidence for the Church’s presumption that he was heterosexual. Nothing in the Bible points to him having desires or relationships with women. The possibility of a gay Christ cannot be ruled out (“Was Jesus Gay? Missing…,” 1998).

BUT NOR CAN..HETRO SEXUALITY BE AFFIRMED
because either is irrelevant..to jesus true works

Tatchell’s quote illustrates that the argument for Jesus’ homosexuality finds its strongest support, not in Scripture, but in its silence.

Homosexual advocates argue that the absence of any explicit commentary on Jesus’ sexuality ought to remove the ancient assumption that He was heterosexual. Demonstrating to their own satisfaction that there is nothing in the New Testament that necessitates Jesus’ heterosexuality, these scholars move on in search of passages favoring Jesus’ homosexuality, the “signals” that McCleary mentioned. Unfortunately for them, biblical references to support their political thesis are few and circumstantial.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 7 November 2013 8:12:48 PM
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