Paul1405,

I think you like to be provocative and like to be a bit of a stirrer.

I have to wonder if you really believe that Jesus was gay ... or even care.

If you really care, why?

It was oneundergod who quickly sourced the origin of this idea.

For one who is so convinced, you were unable to provide the source, which under the circumstances would have been etched into your memory.

i was curious..as to..what the gospil..[of paul 14;05]
would reveal..this is where..that link leads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG_Dy8P8M1o

so..the natural con-collusion..is

did paul...hijack the gospel
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/churches-of-christ-forum/did-paul-%27hijack%27-the-gospel/

alternately

Jesus death for sins was an act of salvation. To receive God's gracious gift Scripture explicitly teaches that:

Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now He strictly commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day in which He is going to judge the world in righteousness by a Man whom He appointed, having given proof to all by raising Him from the dead (Acts 17:30-31).

Repentance is necessary in order to receive salvation - therefore it is a necessary component of the Gospel we proclaim. This repentance from sin and turning away from it is also a turning to Christ in saving faith in order to receive salvation:

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).

And that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem (Luke 24:47).

And how I kept back nothing that was profitable, but have shown you and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:20-21).

Some people claim that "faith alone"
in Ephesians 2:8 negates the need to repent. But we must remember this hermeneutical rule: Scripture cannot contradict itself - therefore in understanding it rightly, it must harmonize with the rest of Scripture.

As we harmonize all of Scripture we can clearly see that sometimes only faith or belief is mentioned, sometimes only repentance is mentioned, and sometimes both are mentioned..

i guess that all boils down..to..what was intended
so stirring the pot..made the soup better..not too salty?

stir gently
on..a low flame?

inflame the flaming fame frame

the divination..
of chapter..14/verse..05
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=chapter+14%3A05%2C&

*CHAPTER..14-05/DIVORCE.[14-05-01].
Marriage

How dissolved.
Marriage is..dissolved only:
1...By the death..of one of the parties..or.
2...By a judgment..of a court

John 14:1-5

English Standard Version.(ESV)
I Am the Way,..and the Truth,..and the Life

14..“Let not..your hearts be..troubled...Believe in God;
[a]..believe also..in me....In my Father's house..are many rooms.
If it..were not so,..would I/have told you..that I go..to prepare a place..for you..with-in it..?[b]>>

thats.a key bit/for context
OUR FATHERS-HOUSE..has many rooms
one..for each..of mens wants..needs/urges

<<>3..And if I go..and prepare..a place..for you,
I will come again..and will take you..to myself,..that
where I am..you may be..also...4 And..you know..the way/to where..I am going.”[c]..

5..Thomas/said to him,..

“Lord,..we do not know..where..
you are going...How can we..know the way?”>>

[just..do/as..we/saw-him..do..
all ways..lead to..where..the heart leads

ie even..those..who KNEW him..didnt know
or/if he..was just happy/or..happy and gay

anyway*

Bhagavad-Gita: Chapter 14, Verse 5
www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-14-05.html

Having thus declared..that the origins of all jivas
or..embodied beings..is from...the/combination..of prakriti
or..the material-substratum..pervading..all existence and ...

and purusa..[the Supreme Being]..as eternal*consciousness
and that they..are both manifestations..of the Supreme Lord Krishna. The resulting..*situation of the purusa's/[gods]..conjunction with prakriti[material/sub-stance]..is elaborated upon..in *fourteen verses..

described in relationship..to the gunas..or three modes
of material nature:..*sattva.or goodness,*..rajas..or passion and tamas.or prescience..which all arise..from prakriti[material/matters]..

The source..and foundation..of these gunas[modes]..is only..from prakriti[matter]..and are..dependent upon it.[embedded/with-in/it]..

The physical body..is a product..of the three..modes...Everything in material existence..is under the influence..of the three..meams..which binds/fast..the..embodied..by connecting the effect*..of actions..*to the results..of reactions.

Due to accepting..the illusions..of happiness,/distress,/exhilaration, /delusion,..etc. The jivas/modes..believe..that they are physical beings..because of identifying/with the senses..and the physical body...

So much so..that the..*eternal part/within*..[emmanuel]..
which is the atma..[the/immortal soul].is completely forgotten..
even/though..it*is..a direct/manifestation..of the Supreme Lord..and in reality...immutable and eternal.

the..one/whom wishes..to rise up/from this world..
will's/to..perform meritorious actions..

edit

Apprehending..such/a doubt..Lord Krishna..clarifies this/point
in this verse..and the next stating:..the Supreme Lord..does not create..*any agency*..in the world..of beings,..

rather it..is*/that..the embodied-beings..
*own*..individual nature's..PLUS..their level/of
licentiousness..wantonness..and ignorance..of the atma...
or.[soul/form]..that determines..how they..act out existence.

As..the energizing-source..of all..created-beings
the Supreme/Lord Krishna..engages[exzorts]..all beings..to
be active..and naturally disposed*..as..they gravitate to perform..
actions..for/the objects*..of..their desires..out of primeval/nescience.

*But..the Supreme Lord..has no.influence/nor investment
on.their decision..and..no involvement..whatsoever..in their..freewilled..inter-actions

Danielle, how can you say that, I attended Catholic school, I was an alter boy, I said my rosary, constantly, Sister Mary belted the bible into me, literally. And you doubt my sincerity? Please go to 'Confession' and say 3 Hail Mary's, and never doubt my sincerity again. You agree with OUG? OUG believes smoking is good for you.
Like me, you to could learn much by reading The Book of Auckermudd, I have learned much from Auck, the meaning of life, spirituality, how to play 'Lotto'... and win, Jesus stuff, etc etc.

Paul1405,

Tch ..tch .. tch ...

Your are a stirrer ...

What next are you going to pull out of the hat ...?

sauls/quote12;05..<<..OUG believes smoking is good for you.>>

saul/paul..whatever

i..believe smoking is good for me..[me alone]
i..have no opinion..AT_ALL*..on..how good..or bad it is for any of you

so please do not infer..that i said..its good for stezzra
in..no way do i say anything like that

see i..have anger issues..and
with one puff..i..shrug my anger off..

its cheating..but thats not your concern..either

now the topic was...gay mirage..[clearly a delusion]
but yet again..of no real concern..to any but those sukkerd into it

thats the topic..
but..its expanded upon..better here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15658