Bec, gay marriage? Yes I support it all the way.

I am very pleased to see Australia’s first same-sex marriage law come into effect in the ACT.

But what really gets me is that there may now be a legal challenge.

Two things – how on Earth can laws ever be implemented before they are known to be solidly founded in law??!! How can we possibly ever have illegal laws??

What is now law in the ACT may be found to be illegitimate if the high court decides so. Something is completely crackers about that!

And secondly, why would the Feds want to push for a high court challenge? Why not just accept the ACT’s right to make its own decision on this.

For that matter, why oppose same-sex marriage at all? It just seems like such a stupid thing to get hung up on.

Suse,

Your usual line of logic?

"I know you are religious, but I believe a 2000+ year old book written by humans who say they believe in invisible beings in the sky, should not be ruling our present dsy society in any way.
Politics and religion shohld not be mixed at all in our secular country".

Well said, the same book says that murder is wrong, along with lying, adultery and theft.

So those are of no importance along with the honouring of one's father and mother.

I certainly agree in marriage equality for polygamists. I hope the ACT law doesn't discriminate against them? After all they have a more valid claim to recognition of their marriages than homosexuals, if not equal. And besides, polygamy is a criminal offence, gay marriage is not. So the more urgent case, in terms of social justice, is surely that of polygamists, not gays.

Does anyone supporting gay marriage not support legalizing polygamy, and if not, obviously that destroys your argument in favour of state registration of homosexual marriage doesn't it?

its ok..rebeca..not.many grasp..my words
im just trying to point out..marriage,..IS ABOUT honoring..and obeying

sure you can dress it up..or change the words
but its an enjoining..of souls we are talking of here
SOLEMNIZED..before god..[ie creating a lawful document..of status change

see mr.is..a rank..of an officer
mrs..is the ranking..of service[im talking legally]

see beca..the bible SAYS SPECIFICALLY..do not take oath

matthew 5;33-37..,..23;15-23
plus james [jesus brother]..said..5;12..

[so taking vows..is a serious legally binding step]
but swearing..it true before god..seems ok..if sincere
BUT..signing..the certification..is signing an oath*..against the specific advice in..the bible

oaths can be spoken..or in w..ritinspeaking it maybe ok
but signing a thing as true..is a lie

please think..have you EVER..signed a form..
declaring..that..your birth details onthe form..is true
[well the rthing maybe or maynot be true..[but one thing is true..NO ONE OF US KNOWS ITS TRUE..from first hand recall[sure youwere there..BUT cant recall..it from YOUR OWN..memories

so..anything you SWORE true..isnt first hand recall true
its based on hear-say..you may think..i its true..but someone told you..[be honest ans say..you dont recall

but that simple lie..[look the births registrar..COULD possibly swear..it true..[by his book]..but even then..its not lawfully true..[from you]..for you were but a baby..at the time.

thing is people have no idea..
how wrongly we use these things..for light and transient reasons

marriage is serious..as long as they know
i couldnt care less ..who swears to..obey who....
just know its not..a law from god..nor the bible..

[the swearing bit]

the bit in..the ten/commands..re adultery..seems to be confusing
see the law..forbids ADULTERATING>>GODS LAWS*[not keeping hubby fateful..or his mises..fruitfull..]

Mise,
What homosexuals are trying to do is get community respect for their sexual activities. That is the only reason they want the word marriage.

I care not what they do in their bedrooms, but I object to using the word 'marriage', they can find a new word to describe their union. For me a marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

They have already corrupted the word 'gay' and they are now doing the same to the word 'marriage'. Their only motive is to try and conjure some respectability for their sexual activities.

OUG, I am getting better at reading your posts, I am beginning to see that you and I are on a simular wave length. I quite often find hidden gems in your posts. :-)

Ludwig, I don't think Tony is going to make himself very popular about this, I think a lot of people sitting on the fence of this issue will also see that it is cruel to give someone their life long dream then rip it from them later.

As for there been a place for religion in politics I think there is, after all a lot of society is religious in some way shape or form. And I think regardless of who you are most people would admit that there are a lot of values that are taught in both religious and non religious homes that are worthwhile and called for.