Dear Danielle,

Thanks for the book references - I'll definitely look into
them. This is a subject that I find quite fascinating.
I recall years ago reading Barbara Thiering's book,
"Jesus The Man: A new interpretation from the Dead Sea
Scrolls," and trying to discuss the book with members
of my family. It caused quite a stir.
Especially from my younger brother (he's a principal
of a Catholic school). I found the book fascinating,
and Thiering's book gave me a better understanding
of historical Christianity. I was able to view
the virgin birth, the miracles, the resurrection in an
entirely new light.

Again, Thanks for your additional references.

Danielle, to be serious for a moment much of what I post is satirical guff, put in for a laugh. But there is always an element of truth in what I say. Was Jesus ( and the very existence of Jesus himself can be debated, but for the moment lets accept his existence) heterosexual, homosexual, some other sex, that can't genuinely be determined, just as nothing about Jesus can genuinely be determined.
Modern mainstream Christian orthodox teaching based on scripture is a fallacy. It is a fallacy because it is untrue to give it the power of credibility as being the word of God, the supreme being, (his existence is also highly debatable), or the word of Jesus speaking as God, (again debatable). If you were to say its the word of Julius Caesar a person indisputably known to have existed 2000 years ago I would accept it for what it is. I might not agree with it but I would accept it. If Christians were to say this is what we believe, based on our own predigests, then I would accept what is said, again I might not agree, but I would accept it. Christians demand an unequivocal acceptance of their belief to the detriment of all other, based on a lie, that their belief is "the word of the almighty God" therefore unquestionably correct, that is simply wrong.

Danielle,
I am interested to know what relationship you have in mind here. "Incidentally, not all male gays practice anal sex.
Posted by Danielle, Thursday, 7 November"
Are these homosexuals pushing for same sex marriage? In this case what do they define as marriage?

Josephus,

A similar topic as this was posted on another forum. Gays also responded. Anal sex was mentioned. One gay, with a lifetime partner, made the above comment.

When I was familiar with the gay community, I was aware that not all gays shared the same practices or attitudes. Indeed, some divisions were sharply divided and quite virilently so.
Criticism could be as harsh as any homophobe.

Josephus,

Apologies, I realise that I hadn't answered your question in full.

As I recall, this particular man believed that same sex marriage was appropriate, but wasn't strident about it. He was more concerned that society believed that all homosexuals practiced anal sex, which apparently is not the case.

No one ventured to ask for more intimate details of the relationship between these two men. Whatever it was, it had worked well for some forty years or so. And he did state that it was a gay relationship.

sex derives from the need to be touched
its as simple as that..ok..for some..its to procreate

but basically..its a way.to get outside oneself
and anything given..of love to other..is a worthy gift

paul..subverted..the witness of the go-spell
but the gos[pill]..represents..the..first person witness of jesus works words and life events

then pauloverlayed his creed..
that..hid his most important deed
jesus died..and returned..to talk of it
these simple testements..refute both creeds of judgment/resection..day

jesus big teaching was..those days..were creed too
so many lies to..refute..how many more lives can..they polute?

thhe harvest is heavy
the workers few*..the first will..be last

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