Hay Luddy, do you still think Carr is a good one.

He doesn't think labor was cunning enough for gods sake. Cunning! Now that is just what you want from your politicians isn't it.

I've always maintained he was one not to be trusted.

Thank our lucky stars he was only interested in power, & not some sort of service to the community, or we would have had the cunning bugger for 6 years more, ripping us off in what ever "cunning" way he could come up with.

Must admit it is nice to see such loyalty among the Labor colleagues.

Hopefully with his idea that they could get back in power at the next election.

Hasbeen, if the nasty word 'cunning' is the only word you have to condemn a Labor pollie, then you mustn't have to many worries!

Speaking of condemning a pollie from his own mouth, Tony Abbott has continued on with the litany of lies about the Don Randall Cairns affair, as reported by The Age this morning.

Tony told the reporters:
""The gentleman in question [Mr Randall] tells me that ... he went from Perth to Cairns to have some very important discussions with the whip," Mr Abbott said. The whip at the time was Leichardt MP Warren Entsch, whose electorate takes in Cairns."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/very-important-discussions-tony-abbott-defends-don-randalls-cairns-trip-20131023-2w0aw.html#ixzz2iWn1tVkJ"

Apparently this MP Entsch can't recall what any of this '...very important discussion...' was about.
So...Tony condemns both himself and Don Randall with yet more lies about Liberals taking liberty with taxpayers money...

Some of the above disappeared into the ether. The last sentence should have read.

Hopefully with his idea that they could get back in power at the next election, his predictive ability will prove as accurate as Belly's predictions about Abbotts imminent demise.

I thought Carr corrected himself and said canny.
Politicians are cunning as a matter of course, a few are canny, not many.
Right now there are few one could trust or admire across the whole spectrum of politicians in Canberra.
I am not too sure how anyone can take sides when it comes to the current crew.
Dreadful situation we are in when it comes to our leaders and representatives.
SD

Has been it was a slip of the mind over the tongue. Most pollies from both sides think this way. We are their tax and debt bitches. Stop voting for the major parties who take corporate money.

I would say that it was a cunning correct Shaggy Dog

Bec,

Carr cannily carrected his cunning comment.

RD

Wow Haz, that’s quite extraordinary. Did you hear this on the news and then rush to your laptop, write a new general thread opening post and send it off, all within two minutes??

It seems like it. Seems like a rather extreme spur-of-the-moment reaction to a perceived opportunity to criticise one of the many politicians that you vehemently detest!!

Well…. perhaps you should re-examine just what he did say: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-carr-to-quit-parliament/story-fn59niix-1226745022543

He said nothing worthy of any criticism…. even from you!

Come on Luddy, I don't think he has ever said or done anything not worthy of criticism by everyone.

That is what I meant. My poor tired eyes didn't pick up my typo. I personally think Carr is as cunning and a welcome as a you know what type of house rat.

Is this the Bob Carr we are talking about?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fleeting-visit-costs-the-taxpayer-4200-a-day-20131023-2w1k5.html

Once a charlatan, always a (canny) charlatan.

A thread to throw verbal rocks at a man history will put on a pedestal.
One full of anti Labor trash talk from my old mate Hasbeen.
One that confirms its authors biases, and too his inability to see other than a non existent wrong.
Go with pride Bob Carr and thanks for the memory's.

For myself, Belly, this is nothing to do with Labor, Liberal or any other political angle.

It is about the very nature of a politician who has turned doing nothing into a fine art, while happily taking our money to support his elegant lifestyle. He is a prime example of the sense of entitlement that all politicians seem to latch onto, and that has turned our entire parliamentary system into a sheltered workshop for money-grubbing nonentities.

Frankly, I'm amazed you can even bring yourself to including him in the Labor pantheon. If you can find one example of his relationship with traditional Labor values, that he actually followed through on rather than just spruiking, I'll make an extra $50 donation to the NSW firies.

If they are putting him on a pedestal Belly, they must be damn short of heroes. It will have to be a already rotting wooden one to suit the man.

I have always found him an arrogant sanctimonious fool, so full of his own importance he actually started to believe his own bulldust.

It is quite obvious it was only ever his cunning that got him elected to anything, most definitely not his ability.

Cunning leaders?

Sun Tzu and Machiavelli would smirk approval.

However, they would also stipulate that such cunning *must* be used for the benefit of "the people".
Something no mainstream pollie has done for decades.
Their cunning is used to undermine our nation, to the benefit of "others" (globalism, multiculturalism).

Cunning pollies, the "enemy" is not your own people.

Sun Tzu and Machiavelli would have their bags packed in readiness for a sudden midnight carriage ride.

I good jest but remain closely linked to truth using that word in relation to both sides of politics.
Make reference to rats and toilets and still be in the same field as truth, maybe riding on its shoulder.
But finding a reason to set the dogs on Carr and the ALP for his use of the word is funny and quite wrong.
History will see the Carr I do, a life long association with the Scouting movement, an author of merit and the man who gave my state both good government and more National Parks than any one
And too a man who held his government together never giving an inch to the NSW FILTH.

That is the whole point of the cunning thing Belly.

He bought the green vote with those unfunded national parks, turned good forestry into vermin infested jungle, which is now burning.

If that is good government Carr style, god save us from it.

They should turn him over to the people who've lost homes, because he made fires in those areas unfightable.

Thanks heaps Bob

Carr is a bad man and we are better off without his ugly face in ours. He was power crazy control freak and his marriage was a good example of what not to do if you are a true Australian.

ChrisGaff in that post you stoop lower than a worms belly.
I no longer look to you for balance or understanding.
The UN=AUSTRALIAN haters shame us all yo are one of them by your own words, far worse than the rot Hasbeen is so upset about .
A former leader of the opposition, in my view on the way to both winning this state and ruling it well.
Was forced out of politics for less he said Carrs wife no wonnt go their.
Bob Carr not unlike 30.000 other Australians wed a wonderful woman from Asia.
how very weak of you Chris and to think you say you are an ex cop? we are all the better for one less racist in the force
Your blind and hate filled swipe at a man far better than you could harm this site if creepy reporters found it.

Belly, there is nothing wrong with racism, so long as it is the truth. We hated the Germans and Italians and Japanese so much we set out to kill them off. I was taught to hate the North Vietnamese and the Indonesians under Sukarno and the Chinese and too kill them off. In Somalia I was taught to hate a certain type of black man and kill them off all before they killed me off.
Belly, surely if my own country preaches "Death to our hated racial enemies" and tells me it is the truth then racism plays a major part in our daily lives whether we like it or not.
I don't like Filipinos or South East Asians or whatever Cars misses is and I hate those miserable white aged men who marry and bring in schoolgirl like creature4s that compliment their latent pedophilia.
It is my right to hate if I so desire.

CG no!
Not letting you off your own fly infested hook.
You know as I do the former leader left politics after one of his own came up with a tape.
That tape told of Bob Carr,s mail order Bride, a filthy thing to do.
You dismissed his right to be called Australian for the same reason.
Think on this.
A poster once went too far here in his view of Homosexuals.
Advertisements got pulled and briefly GY had to pay for the sins of that bloke.
What would be your answer *IF I PUT THE NAME OF GOVERNMENT FRONT BENCHER,S HERE IN THAT WAY*?
It was a filth act to kill a thread and in the end? Condemned out of his own mouth fits best on your shoulders.

Belly,
Name who you want to name. If they are guilty then they should pay the penalty.
I think Bob Carr has a lot to answer for outside politics and inside the law.

Let me be frank with you bloke.
IF you have been a Cop we are all the better you no longer are.
A good Cop we have heaps of them, is worth far more than we pay them,or could pay them.
The discount suit wearers are lessor.
I would tell you to your face, have told many police that, around the time of an ICAC inquirey, filth is filth even in uniform.
Here in this thread you said Carr was unAustralian for wedding an Asian!
You poke and probe trying to justifie that filth?
Are you aware how many police politicians any amount of people from all walks of life who wed Asians?
I leave the thread and too a respect I once had for you as a cop, if you are an ex, see you in another thread.

Belly;
Of course many politicians, policemen, businessmen and ordinary citizens marry mail order brides from the exotic countries.
It is just my contention that they are doing it because no self respecting Australian girl would have a bar of their abhorrent sexual preferences.
A sixty year old grandfather with a 18 year old (questionable age) girl that looks like she should still be in school.
Think about it man. You don't see 60 year old Australian women importing 18 year old boys for marriage.

The Hole you have placed your self in gets deeper.
And to think you dug it all your self.
Not much of an age difference and this marriage has stood the test of many years.
You unless you sleep in the same bed manufacturing spleen filled junk to try to cover your crime.
What do you think of women who marry Asian men?
I have a hundred who I know who wed Asians and both are mostly very happy.
Some Philippians are strict Catholics.

Belly,
It is pointless arguing with you. You love the Asian race, so be it. to me they are the cockroaches of this earth.
Bye now

Talking to you on this subject is akin to doing the breast stroke in a septic tank.
'How very filthy it is to hate whole race as you do by what emerges from your thoughts here.
I am anti boat people but not anti Asian, we prosper from great migrants from all country,s of the world.
And we suffer from the bad, such is the nature of humanity.
CG once I held some admiration for you, now it is pity.
Not responding to any more red neck raceism in this thread.

Belly,
The history of migration to this country from WW2 is the evolution of crime and violence in Australia.
Bye now

Dear Chris,

Migration to this country certainly brought about
many changes. However violence and crime existed
in this country well before WWII - after all this
country started as England's penal colony, and
it has a history of the dreadful treatment of the
Indigenous people, the crimes of bushrangers,
riots, bikie gangs, alcohol-induced
violence, and so on.

This was taken from the Herald, 1977:

"If the government declared an open season on the
c**ns tomorrow, I would be first in line for my
hunter's licence" - a truckdriver in the whites-only
bar of the hotel at Wiluna, Western Australia.

"I don't care what the government does with my taxes
just as long as not one cent of it goes to the ...
ni**ers - a miner standing beside him and speaking as
intensely."

Other whites around the bar gave every sign of agreement.
Aborigines are referred to in Wiluna as 'c**ns', 'ni**ers'
and mongrels' by the whites, and total hate is the order of the
day ..."

From your comments Chris it would appear that not much has
changed for some people since those times.
Unfortunately.

Foxy, Chris said the "evolution" of crime, not the "creation" of it.

Did the Herald interview any Aborigines, Foxy?

I bet "total hate" was typical on their side too.
And I bet "not much has changed since those times".

Dear Shockadelic,

I'm sure that Aborigines would not have been
interviewed for the Herald article. Afterall
their opinions in those days didn't count for
much amongst the Whites who thought of themselves
as the "superior" race. As Kath Walker once wrote:

"Though baptized and blessed and bibled
We are still taboo and libelled
You devout salvation sellers
Make us equal not fringe dwellers."

I would like to think that many things have changed
since those early days. That much has been achieved
that tolerance and understanding has broadened out
and that bigotry is in retreat. We can know now a
great deal about the history of Indigenous-Settler
relations. But knowing brings burdens which can
be shirked by those living in ignorance. With knowledge
the question is no longer what we know but what we are
not to do, and that's a much harder matter to deal with.
It will continue to perplex us for many years to come.