Hi Grim,

'Nuthin' ' ? I don't think so. Maybe I heard wrong, but I think I recall a recent mention that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere by the trees that have been planted in the last twenty years have kept the level of CO2 in Australia at a constant. Maybe I heard wrong, or read wrong, or just dreamt it. But I have great hopes for massive tree-planting projects, a billion trees per year on drippers, forever, across northern Australia, under the control - and ultimately for the profit - of fully-employed Aboriginal communities. That's if they want to do anything at all, of course, admittedly a monstrously huge IF.

But there is so much that can be done, instead of running in circles screaming (although that can be fun, too).

As Marx pointed out, capitalism is an amazingly revolutionary force, it can work its way out of any problem and push science and technology forward at an amazing pace. No, maybe that's me. But I'll stick by it. It's all good.

Cheers :)

Joe

more sea ice
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/19/earth-has-more-sea-ice-than-1990/

World's top climate scientists told to 'cover up'
the fact that the Earth's temperature..hasn't risen for the last 15 years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425775/Climate-scientists-told-cover-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html

* CLIMATEGATE

Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.

A leaked copy of a United Nations report, compiled by hundreds of scientists, shows politicians in Belgium, Germany, Hungary and the United States raised concerns about the final draft.

Published next week, it is expected to address the fact that 1998 was the hottest year on record and world temperatures have not yet exceeded it, which scientists have so far struggled to explain.

...

Hungary worried the report would provide ammunition for deniers of man-made climate change.
Webmaster's Commentary:

"Hungary worried the report would provide ammunition for deniers of man-made climate change."

GEE; YA THINK?!?
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/09/17/324422/ipsos-poll-finds-distrust-of-polls-in-us/

OUG,

The story so far:

* a rise in world temperatures (at least up to 1997), of a bit over a degree 1n 120 years;

* one and a bit inches rise in sea-levels in the last 120 years. Gosh.

* governments around the world have implemented various mechanisms to slow down the release of CO2 into the atmosphere, like wind-farms, solar panel manufacture, tree-planting, carbonising soils, etc. to reduce the impact of CO2 on the atmosphere;

* as a aside, market-gardeners keep pumping CO2 into their green-houses to promote plant growth, which in turn improves plants' ability to utilise water;

If ever civil and democratic forms of government can be implemented across Africa, just for one example, it is possible that the resources of that continent can be harnessed, that irrigation schemes can be extended to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere at the same time as massively increasing production and raising the standard of living in every country.

Not to mention the reduction of the flow of refugees from one country to another.

On the other hand, we can each retreat to our favorite cave and, every three years, vote Green.

It's up to us.

Cheers :)

Joe
www.firstsources.info

oh dear..im going to repeat my self again
the first people globally..have their own..money system

i tried to./.explain it a few times
most recently..to scientists..[to fund research/cover fees insurance etc

but heck..it will pay for repair[all*..co2 damages,,too
and bailout..the bubble*[soon].

..its time to..ask me questions

thank you..god will provide
if its..needed..important..*to the world
god will fund it..[its a long story[..but im offering..to talk about it]

the first people.of the land..[globally]
have their own*..DODE_GIVEN..money system*..i just need explain it
went..to court in canberra..to prove it..but..FIRST*.the first people..need to claim it*

then..we will use it
people support it simply by banking..with..*our [AB_orignal..commonwealth bank..backed by..the invader*

ANYHOW
hi mary..G
re a comment..your guest made..re our own govt

i write you regarding....PAYING FOR IT*

/re..our own money..

[my name.is johan]

in 2002..i got speared.in front..of ol/parle'ment house...
trying to deliver..the people our money*...
spirit..judged it

.[it works..on..the promise* to pay
by our own notes..promise..is made in pounds..or per seed

the promise upon..the notes..is of of a stated weight..[in pounds/weight]..DELIVERABLE..instantly..in real<..tree/of_life*>..seed.]

wikiseed/wikigeld..was what it was called
basically we..[the people..vote who..gets our cash..plus where its spent..]

its that simple..[numbers =credit]

[50%..is issued..for womans business
as determined..At WOMANS_CIRCLES
FOOD HOME HEARTH/mirth

plus..[50%] for mens
SPIRIT LEARNING DREAMING

or as*..the circles decide

we issue it..as/when needed
[globally]

its based..on what invader money..*USED to be
promis-sorry notes..promising an assured value..a sure product..

[for..contracted goods/aid/repair/compensation
..plus a market..of the seeds[30.000..fruits..not 12'

USED*locally..
collected globally..for local development..local empowerment

[gifted..to elders/children
[whoisnot a child of the father?

via elder circles..
who deem it
as THE..*only legal..>>LAWFUL>tender ...where ever WE,the people..saY*

promise to pay.. off \..in pounds*..
just..like invader money..USED..to be*

[one pound sterling..was A PROMISE..
that the common/wealth bank..would give..*DELIVER.. pound..WEIGHT..[of silver/gold]..

ps [i..under-write..the delivery of the seed*.
.[yearly..on invasion day]..at tent embassy

govt*..already knows*
but been waiting..for us to DEMAND it!

how can we let..people KNOW..
we got our own cash*cow..by god*

I await with interest a good reason, why it is wrong to tax pollution, so far no one on this thread has come up with any sensible reasons, just a lot of ranting and raving on about left wing plots and generally silly attacks on climate Science.

Warmair,

Probably because you are confusing pollution with global warming :) Yes, there is some over-lap, and of course burning coal for example both pollutes and contributes towards global warming. I don't think any body would disagree. But don't blur the two issues, it's not clever.

Apart from that, one could easily suggest that current-generation nuclear power both produces energy AND reduces atmospheric pollution and thereby solve both of your problems at once. Is that what you want ?

Joe