"what a joke after so many in the warmist industry fleecing the ignorant and gullible of hard earned taxes." Runner unless you are a Gina Rinehart or Rupert Murdock type they certainly have you converted, singing from the song sheet, what was that about the ignorant and gullible.

Bazz wrote: I have not seen maps showing the ice age coverage of Nth America but I have seen maps showing the ice age coverage of Europe right down to the Mediterranean.

In Europe, except for a small area on the Alps, the ice sheets were above 50 degrees latitude, well north of the Mediterranean. In North America they came down to below 40 degrees latitude. But if you want a puzzle, the northern area of East Asia was pretty bare - without further checking my guess is that underlying topography and rainfall probably account for this - lower, flatter, drier areas were very cold but without ice sheets (eg Australia).

There are lots of maps on google.

Pual1405 while I understand your thoughts in this matter we must confront some truths.
Bloke not having a dig at you.
Not looking for laughs just deadly serious.
Australia and many parts of the developed world, is being driven away from concerns for climate change and the environment.
I blame that big Circus tent holding the Green /left/concerned mums/ and the sometimes out right stupid actions they live by.
Here is a case in point facts tell us we are in part to blame for this time around climate change.
Yet we may as well be voiceless, I share your concern but far too many never will.
This matter is best served if, please make it so, the greens drop the issue.
If your mob informed some of us/me my pants are on fire I would wait until I felt the heat, truly a blackness falls over every issue if greens get involved.
Still this cycle of climate change is real and we need to cut emissions and we will, in time Liberals will bring true fighting climate change policy to us not the shadowy junk they try to sell currently.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/battle-lines-forming-in-climate-wars-20130918-2tzu4.html
Paul take heart in actions like this.
Time and not much of it will see these acts turn voters away from Abbott.
And know the need to dump Labor stopped voters seeing what they had given mandates for, remember and watch.
We travel one way most of the world the other.

I see the Abbott govt has sacked that publically funded propaganda unit aka the Climate Commission--a good first move.

I know most *thinking* posters will join with me in applauding the initiative.

Bravo!

"I see the Abbott govt has sacked that publically funded propaganda unit aka the Climate Commission--a good first move." quote SPQR

I also note that he has not appointed a science Minister so I guess the Abbott government is expecting a bumper crop of mushrooms. (keep them in the dark and feed them BS). This government reminds me of the last Bush Administration where science was simply ignored, or altered in line with the administrations wishes.